lct Posted March 4, 2018 Share #1 Posted March 4, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am fond of the so-called Tessar look provided by my 50mm (Elmar 50/2.8), 45mm (Nikkor 45/2.8) and 40mm (Heliar 40/2.8) triplet four-element lenses but i miss a similar 35mm lens for use on APS bodies. My first idea was to order an Elmar 35/3.5 from the thirties but i wonder if there are later 35mm lenses, in M or LTM mount, with similar optical design. I know vignetting can be an issue with thoses lenses but i shall get over that. Any idea about Tessar 35/3.5, MS-Optical 35/3.5 or possibly others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ecar Posted March 4, 2018 Share #2 Posted March 4, 2018 IIRC, Miyazaki - in addition to offering its Perar triplets - also used to make custom conversions of Zeiss Tessars to LTM (and perhaps M?). Bellamy at Japan Camera Hunter would know more. The Perar 35/3.5 (a straight triplet) is a decent performer, but quite idiosyncratic in actual use. Sorry - no other 35mm Tessar or Tessar-like lenses in LTM or M mount come to mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 4, 2018 Share #3 Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) I'm not sure that the Elmar is actually a 'Tessar' design. Obtaining a 'true' Tessar for use on a Leica M depends on whether you are interested in an off the shelf lens or a modified one. If the latter then there are several adaptable lenses such as the 40mm f/3.5 Tessar fitted to the Rollei 35 or the Minox 35mm f/2.8 Minotar (a Tessar design I think) both of which could probably be adapted by MS-Optical or others. The Yashica T series used a 35mm Tessar lens, there were Contaflex tessars and so on. There are probably others too. If you want a custom build I'm sure its quite possible at a price. Edited March 4, 2018 by pgk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanus53 Posted March 4, 2018 Share #4 Posted March 4, 2018 As already said, the corners are weak therefore the lensmakers switched to double-Gauss-designs. So the Canon serenar 3.5/35 is a Tessar-design, the 3.2/35 and the later ones are double-Gauss. I like the Elmar 3.5/35 for its compact size and use it regulary, mostly on M8: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/282400-tessar-look-in-35mm/?do=findComment&comment=3473765'>More sharing options...
lct Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted March 4, 2018 I'm not sure that the Elmar is actually a 'Tessar' design. Obtaining a 'true' Tessar for use on a Leica M depends on whether you are interested in an off the shelf lens or a modified one. If the latter then there are several adaptable lenses such as the 40mm f/3.5 Tessar fitted to the Rollei 35 or the Minox 35mm f/2.8 Minotar (a Tessar design I think) both of which could probably be adapted by MS-Optical or others. The Yashica T series used a 35mm Tessar lens, there were Contaflex tessars and so on. There are probably others too. If you want a custom build I'm sure its quite possible at a price. Ah yes i forgot the Minotar. Four elements in three groups like Tessar and Elmar it seems. Just ordered one (pic). Thanks pgk Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/282400-tessar-look-in-35mm/?do=findComment&comment=3473773'>More sharing options...
lct Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted March 4, 2018 As already said, the corners are weak therefore the lensmakers switched to double-Gauss-designs. So the Canon serenar 3.5/35 is a Tessar-design, the 3.2/35 and the later ones are double-Gauss. I like the Elmar 3.5/35 for its compact size and use it regulary, mostly on M8: 20170517_L0971_35_Elmar.jpg Interesting thanks. Do you need to put an UV filter on your Elmar 35/3.5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 4, 2018 Share #7 Posted March 4, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just ordered one (pic). Thanks pgk Where from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted March 4, 2018 Where from? Hungary https://www.kameratori.fi/minox-35mm-f28-minotar-converted-to-ltm-l39-mount 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 4, 2018 Share #9 Posted March 4, 2018 As already said, the corners are weak therefore the lensmakers switched to double-Gauss-designs. So the Canon serenar 3.5/35 is a Tessar-design, the 3.2/35 and the later ones are double-Gauss. I like the Elmar 3.5/35 for its compact size and use it regulary, mostly on M8: 20170517_L0971_35_Elmar.jpg Of course, the Canon... Now that I think of it, the Chiyoko (Minolta) Rokkor 35/3.5 from the 50's should also be a Tessar and comes in LTM. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanus53 Posted March 4, 2018 Share #10 Posted March 4, 2018 Interesting thanks. Do you need to put an UV filter on your Elmar 35/3.5? no filters at all as I don't mind the IR-issue on the M8. My lens was made about 1930 and post-war coated. On ff the corners are soft but Summaron or Summicron from th 1950ies aren't perfect in the field either. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
einem anderen Posted March 5, 2018 Share #11 Posted March 5, 2018 I am fond of the so-called Tessar look provided by my 50mm (Elmar 50/2.8), 45mm (Nikkor 45/2.8) and 40mm (Heliar 40/2.8) triplet four-element lenses but i miss a similar 35mm lens for use on APS bodies. My first idea was to order an Elmar 35/3.5 from the thirties but i wonder if there are later 35mm lenses, in M or LTM mount, with similar optical design. I know vignetting can be an issue with thoses lenses but i shall get over that. Any idea about Tessar 35/3.5, MS-Optical 35/3.5 or possibly others? My Tessar for the Leica M that comes closest to the 2.8/50 Elmar is the Elmarit-C 40mm. - on the Sony Alpha it is the D. Zuiko 2.8/38mm for the old Pen-F. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share #12 Posted March 6, 2018 My Tessar for the Leica M that comes closest to the 2.8/50 Elmar is the Elmarit-C 40mm. - on the Sony Alpha it is the D. Zuiko 2.8/38mm for the old Pen-F. I forgot the Elmarit-C 40/2 is another Tessar design. Did you try it on the CL or another crop camera? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdemeyer Posted March 6, 2018 Share #13 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) The Summicron 40mm and M-Rokkor variants are a symmetrical design, not a Tessar. You might be confusing it with the 40mm 3.5 on the Rollei 35 compact film camera. That said, I love my M-Rokkor 40mm. A great daily carry lens. My Tessar for the Leica M that comes closest to the 2.8/50 Elmar is the Elmarit-C 40mm. - on the Sony Alpha it is the D. Zuiko 2.8/38mm for the old Pen-F. Edited March 6, 2018 by mdemeyer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share #14 Posted March 6, 2018 The Summicron 40mm and M-Rokkor variants are a symmetrical design, not a Tessar. You might be confusing it with the 40mm 3.5 on the Rollei 35 compact film camera. [...] Einem anderen was referring to the Elmarit-C 40/2.8 (# 11541), not Summicron-C 40/2, sorry for my typo above. Tessar design indeed according to LeicaWiki. https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/40mm_f/2.8_Elmarit-C Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/282400-tessar-look-in-35mm/?do=findComment&comment=3474902'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 6, 2018 Share #15 Posted March 6, 2018 Einem anderen was referring to the Elmarit-C 40/2.8 (# 11541) But not a wondrous performer from all I've read, and expensive as its collectable. I think that someone did supply some images from this lens on the forum some time ago which might be worth a search. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share #16 Posted March 6, 2018 But not a wondrous performer from all I've read, and expensive as its collectable. I think that someone did supply some images from this lens on the forum some time ago which might be worth a search. +1 but it was not on APS cameras if memory serves me well. Weakness of the 40/2.8 is softness at corners and edges at wide aperture, somewhat unsurprisingly for a Tessar design, so it would be interesting to see how it performs on crop cameras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 7, 2018 Share #17 Posted March 7, 2018 Bargain : https://www.schouten-select.com/index.php/products/leica/leica-40mm-f2-8-elmarit-c.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share #18 Posted March 7, 2018 Could be worse: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_udlo=&_udhi=&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_stpos=14600&_sacat=0&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sadis=15&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_nkw=elmarit+40&LH_PrefLoc=2&_sop=16 Bit expensive for a « dog » that « even Minolta » refused. « By all accounts, a terrible lens optically » according to this blog. Not sure if the author has ever used an Elmarit-C but that kind of statement would make me want to buy the lens if i were after a 40mm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
einem anderen Posted March 7, 2018 Share #19 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Well - I found mine in the normal historical set with an early CL and the 90mm Elmar-C - at the normal set price. All you have to do is look carefully at the private ads. I have already selected sample photos with the M9 and will post them here soon. Edited March 7, 2018 by einem anderen 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share #20 Posted March 26, 2018 Carl Zeiss Tessar 35/3.5 adapted by MS-Optical. Garden at f/5.6 below. Full size: https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4ZpdjK3/0/89a4bca6/O/i-4ZpdjK3.jpg 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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