One Year Of Taking My M10 To Trump Protests

[erl]

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You come across as rude, patronising, spiteful and bitter

Hmm!

Since you wish to invoke forum rules, where does your  pejorative post fit in that context?

Or is it considered constructive?

 

I still think everyone is being too precious about the pictures.

As for the criticism leveled by Pico, well, in his intent I do agree with him. However, having considered it for awhile, I can see that some members may not like his style of comment, which in my opinion is normal straight talking bar style for example. At least in some countries anyway. I concede some may not enjoy it and in deference to their sensitivities I will undertake to speak to Pico and appeal to his better side, which I know he has.

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[erl]

Constructive criticism yes, rude and arrogant comments, no.

Enlighten me. What do you judge as rude and arrogant?

Seriously, if I missed it tell me.

Certainly Pico is blunt and direct, but I don't believe he criticized the poster, just the pictures, and that is fair game IMO.

[Tragg]

Enlighten me. What do you judge as rude and arrogant?

Seriously, if I missed it tell me.

Certainly Pico is blunt and direct, but I don't believe he criticized the poster, just the pictures, and that is fair game IMO.

 

 

 

 

OK, to my mind terms like “crappy snapshots” and “amateur crap” when discussing someone else’s work come across as rude while the statement “Never mind the M10. A $20 camera could do the same” appears arrogant. I guess one man’s ‘rude and arrogant’ is another man’s ‘blunt and direct’.

[erl]

OK, to my mind terms like “crappy snapshots” and “amateur crap” when discussing someone else’s work come across as rude while the statement “Never mind the M10. A $20 camera could do the same” appears arrogant. I guess one man’s ‘rude and arrogant’ is another man’s ‘blunt and direct’.

You are correct. Pico's style is blunt and direct. So often in my observations through life, blunt, direct, etc is the clearest way to the truth. I concede it is not the most diplomatic and I have PM'd PIco requesting him to tone down his views.

 

As with others, maybe including me, we need to assess what is the intent of the post, as distinct from what is actually written. More than once in my professional life I have found that my written words did not accurately express what my intent was. Fortunately, in my case, a face to face encounter always clarified the reality.

[pico]

You come across as rude, patronising, spiteful and bitter,

 

Thank you for the response, but patronizing? That is entirely unlikely from me. Written with a smile. Patronizing - really?

[johnbuckley]

Keep up the good work, John! I especially enjoyed the photos in your gallery at

http://www.tulipfrenzyphotography.com/new-gallery-2/

 

There are some very interesting and telling shots among them. Much of the criticism you’ve come in for has been just plain ridiculous.

 

I hope you’ll carry on documenting and posting these rallies and carry on enjoying the wonderful M10! 

 

Thank you, Euston, and I appreciate it.  I do think the vitriolic denunciation, by one poster in particular, of the concept and execution of taking photographs of people protesting, signs and all, is really unfortunate.  At the same time, I'm not surprised -- among that particular poster's 15,000 posts, most of which I've tuned out over the years, I've seen very few that are constructive.  

 

I appreciate the rules of the forum.  I particularly appreciate the moderation of Jaap and Andy Barton and others who enforce the rules, even when I've been in breach of them, and been corrected.  No problem, we're all -- or most of us are -- here in fellowship of a love of photography in general and Leica products in specific.  

 

But people reveal themselves here.  And while I admit I had not fully thought out whether anyone might be offended by my posting images of a demonstration that really did fall precisely a year after my taking out an M10 to photograph a similar demonstration, the purpose of the post was to call attention to the *camera*, not the cause.  That it devolved to an extent that a participant in the thread could, quite accurately, be said to have come across as "rude, patronizing, spiteful and bitter" is unfortunate.  I'm not sure it reflects the times so much as that particular poster's deep reservoir of unpleasantness.

 

Will keep going to demonstrations, and keep posting the photos in various places.  Alas, I'll know better than to post them here, in the intended context of drawing attention to what a truly great tool the M10 is, compared to every other digital M I've ever owned. A forum like this is susceptible to crotchetiness, which is why after 15 years I've made fewer than an average 100 posts per year!

[dadohead]

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Has it really come to this? When a photographer exercising his First Amendment right to photograph and publish his/her photographs of other Americans exercising their First Amendment right to freely assemble and express their opinions has to eat the kind of empty, patronizing guff I've seen on this thread? It absolutely sickens me. And talk about triggered! Here's a hard and fast rule; if you use the word "snowflake" chances are good you're the snowflake in the room.

 

And just because I've grown to like it when crusty, old, irrelevant white men's blood pressure goes through the roof, here's a couple of shots with placards in them (and Chihuahuas, while cute, aren't known for their spelling skills):

 

 

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[dadohead]

And yes, these were taken with a Leica...

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[dadohead]

And now I am done exercising my First Amendment rights.

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[erl]

Thank you, Euston, and I appreciate it.  I do think the vitriolic denunciation, by one poster in particular, of the concept and execution of taking photographs of people protesting, signs and all, is really unfortunate.  At the same time, I'm not surprised -- among that particular poster's 15,000 posts, most of which I've tuned out over the years, I've seen very few that are constructive.  

 

I appreciate the rules of the forum.  I particularly appreciate the moderation of Jaap and Andy Barton and others who enforce the rules, even when I've been in breach of them, and been corrected.  No problem, we're all -- or most of us are -- here in fellowship of a love of photography in general and Leica products in specific.  

 

But people reveal themselves here.  And while I admit I had not fully thought out whether anyone might be offended by my posting images just to be clear, I am unaware that anyone claimed to be offended by you posting images. Just critical of the idea that they were claiming to be  photojournalistic. of a demonstration that really did fall precisely a year after my taking out an M10 to photograph a similar demonstration, the purpose of the post was to call attention to the *camera*, not the cause.I fail to see what distinguished the pics from those taken on any other camera.  That it devolved to an extent that a participant in the thread could, quite accurately, be said to have come across as "rude, patronizing, spiteful and bitter" is unfortunate. This is NOT accurate at all. Plus claiming it to be so is itself in contravention of forum rules. I'm not sure it reflects the times so much as that particular poster's deep reservoir of unpleasantness. Again you are contravening forum rules with such a personal allegation.

 

Will keep going to demonstrations, and keep posting the photos in various places.  Alas, I'll know better than to post them here, in the intended context of drawing attention to what a truly great tool the M10 is, compared to every other digital M I've ever owned. A forum like this is susceptible to crotchetiness, which is why after 15 years I've made fewer than an average 100 posts per year!

The italic red inserts in your post are my corrections as a response.

I have communicated with Pico and subsequently his posts, that I have noted, are suitably moderate. It is expected that your posts will be similarly impersonal.

[erl]

dadohead, it is not appreciated that you 'stir the possum' with outbursts about members being patronizing.

Your 1st ammendment stuff is irrelevant to the issue. Nobody has been prevented from posting.

Criticism has been made of the images. That's OK.

Some personal remarks have been made out of line, which have been dealt with.

Move on.

[pico]

Regardless of my editorial opinion, I must say that the color management of the images was quite good.

[StevieB]

Thank you, Euston, and I appreciate it.  I do think the vitriolic denunciation, by one poster in particular, of the concept and execution of taking photographs of people protesting, signs and all, is really unfortunate.  At the same time, I'm not surprised -- among that particular poster's 15,000 posts, most of which I've tuned out over the years, I've seen very few that are constructive.  

 

I appreciate the rules of the forum.  I particularly appreciate the moderation of Jaap and Andy Barton and others who enforce the rules, even when I've been in breach of them, and been corrected.  No problem, we're all -- or most of us are -- here in fellowship of a love of photography in general and Leica products in specific.  

 

But people reveal themselves here.  And while I admit I had not fully thought out whether anyone might be offended by my posting images of a demonstration that really did fall precisely a year after my taking out an M10 to photograph a similar demonstration, the purpose of the post was to call attention to the *camera*, not the cause.  That it devolved to an extent that a participant in the thread could, quite accurately, be said to have come across as "rude, patronizing, spiteful and bitter" is unfortunate.  I'm not sure it reflects the times so much as that particular poster's deep reservoir of unpleasantness.

 

Will keep going to demonstrations, and keep posting the photos in various places.  Alas, I'll know better than to post them here, in the intended context of drawing attention to what a truly great tool the M10 is, compared to every other digital M I've ever owned. A forum like this is susceptible to crotchetiness, which is why after 15 years I've made fewer than an average 100 posts per year!

 

I wish you would keep posting here, the majority of us appreciate your work I'm sure. Pico's presence on this forum lowers the tone, please keep posting interesting photography to drown him out!

 

stevieB, I have highlighted in red italic the part of your post that is unacceptable and against Forum Rules. Normally your post would be deleted, but as a relatively new member I have left it for you to see and learn what is not tolerated here.

Others will do well to note also, specifically those posters who have encouraged him with 'thanks' to this post.

 

Personal attacks are not allowed and will be dealt with by mods ONLY.

[MarkP]

 

 

Thank you, Euston, and I appreciate it.  I do think the vitriolic denunciation, by one poster in particular, of the concept and execution of taking photographs of people protesting, signs and all, is really unfortunate.  At the same time, I'm not surprised -- among that particular poster's 15,000 posts, most of which I've tuned out over the years, I've seen very few that are constructive.  

 

I appreciate the rules of the forum.  I particularly appreciate the moderation of Jaap and Andy Barton and others who enforce the rules, even when I've been in breach of them, and been corrected.  No problem, we're all -- or most of us are -- here in fellowship of a love of photography in general and Leica products in specific.  

 

But people reveal themselves here.  And while I admit I had not fully thought out whether anyone might be offended by my posting images of a demonstration that really did fall precisely a year after my taking out an M10 to photograph a similar demonstration, the purpose of the post was to call attention to the *camera*, not the cause.  That it devolved to an extent that a participant in the thread could, quite accurately, be said to have come across as "rude, patronizing, spiteful and bitter" is unfortunate.  I'm not sure it reflects the times so much as that particular poster's deep reservoir of unpleasantness.

 

Will keep going to demonstrations, and keep posting the photos in various places.  Alas, I'll know better than to post them here, in the intended context of drawing attention to what a truly great tool the M10 is, compared to every other digital M I've ever owned. A forum like this is susceptible to crotchetiness, which is why after 15 years I've made fewer than an average 100 posts per year!

 

Keep posting!

[MarkP]

Has it really come to this? When a photographer exercising his First Amendment right to photograph and publish his/her photographs of other Americans exercising their First Amendment right to freely assemble and express their opinions has to eat the kind of empty, patronizing guff I've seen on this thread? It absolutely sickens me. And talk about triggered! Here's a hard and fast rule; if you use the word "snowflake" chances are good you're the snowflake in the room.

 

And just because I've grown to like it when crusty, old, irrelevant white men's blood pressure goes through the roof, here's a couple of shots with placards in them (and Chihuahuas, while cute, aren't known for their spelling skills):

 

Does the CAF have much influence lobbying on the Hill?

Edited January 31, 2018 by MarkP

[Tragg]

On which section are the forum rules outlined?

[jdlaing]

On which section are the forum rules outlined?

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6780-rules-in-the-leica-forum/

[Pjay]

This post needs to be read in conjunction with the rules, as the intention is to provide clarification:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/209327-what-the-leica-forum-is-for/

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[Stonewall Brigade]

Ironic.  You use a Leica to be among demonstrators protesting against the 1% crowd

[Tragg]

Ironic.  You use a Leica to be among demonstrators protesting against the 1% crowd

 

I can't speak for John Buckley, but I worked damn hard and went without other things to buy my photographic equipment, which includes three Leicas. I certainly wouldn't describe myself as wealthy. It's a matter of what you choose to prioritise in life.