Nevik Posted January 8, 2018 Share #1 Posted January 8, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it ain't old and scratched you don't get that Leica look........apparently. I'm surprised they charge so much for new ones or do they rough them up a bit to get the classic "Bokeh" look? I don't mind a bit of sales talk, but what bollocks. Leica Collapsible 5cm (50mm) f/2.0 Summicron Leica 5cm (50mm) f/2.0 Summicron This lens is in good cosmetic condition for its age The lens has slight hazing, producing a classic 'Bokeh' when used Condition - 7.5/10 SN - 1277919 All Leica Store Manchester Approved Pre Owned Equipment comes with a 1 Year Guarantee 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Hi Nevik, Take a look here See new Leica lenses are rubbish. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wizard Posted January 8, 2018 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2018 As if it had the slight hazing when new, so certainly wasn't able to produce that classic 'Bokeh' back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 8, 2018 Share #3 Posted January 8, 2018 That's particularly bad coming from the Leica store! It's the sort of description I'd expect from some chancer on ebay!! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 8, 2018 Share #4 Posted January 8, 2018 If it ain't old and scratched you don't get that Leica look........apparently. I'm surprised they charge so much for new ones or do they rough them up a bit to get the classic "Bokeh" look? I don't mind a bit of sales talk, but what bollocks. Leica Collapsible 5cm (50mm) f/2.0 Summicron Leica 5cm (50mm) f/2.0 Summicron This lens is in good cosmetic condition for its age The lens has slight hazing, producing a classic 'Bokeh' when used Condition - 7.5/10 SN - 1277919 All Leica Store Manchester Approved Pre Owned Equipment comes with a 1 Year Guarantee I am mystified as to what you find wrong with this. Perhaps you could explain? Is it the implied link between hazing and bokeh? Older lens can produce interesting bokeh, but this often results from the design rather the condition of the lens. Hazing can produce extra 'interest', however, in some cases. Perhaps the people in Manchester are being somewhat over enthusiastic, but I must assume that they have tested the lens. I would recommend that any potential purchaser do the same. I have no connection with the Leica Store Manchester, nor have I ever bought anything from them. I do have a substantial collection of older lenses (eg 12 Summars), so I know what I am talking about concerning the characteristics of such lenses. William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted January 8, 2018 Share #5 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Yes, the trouble is the implication that a defect is actuallly a feature. Now, hazing is by no means a serious defect, but one would expect a serious dealer either to have the lens cleaned, or to sell at a lower price commensurate with the cost of the required CLA. The seller more than deserves being called on this. Edited January 8, 2018 by M9reno 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevik Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted January 8, 2018 I find it odd you list that design is what causes interesting Bokeh then wonder whats wrong with the add My own opinion regarding Bokeh is its the most over hyped tosh currently doing the rounds as something intelligent to say.....but thats beside the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted January 8, 2018 Share #7 Posted January 8, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Whether intended or not, the grammar clearly suggests that the hazing is causing "classic Bokeh". I think they might have meant to have a full stop instead of a comma. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted January 8, 2018 Share #8 Posted January 8, 2018 I think they might have meant to have a full stop instead of a comma. That's perhaps being too generous in giving them the benefit of the doubt, I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 8, 2018 Share #9 Posted January 8, 2018 As if it had the slight hazing when new, so certainly wasn't able to produce that classic 'Bokeh' back then. "wizard", I understand. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted January 8, 2018 Share #10 Posted January 8, 2018 Someone should phone and enquire... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 8, 2018 Share #11 Posted January 8, 2018 I find it odd you list that design is what causes interesting Bokeh then wonder whats wrong with the add My own opinion regarding Bokeh is its the most over hyped tosh currently doing the rounds as something intelligent to say.....but thats beside the point. I agree with you generally about bokeh, although it can make an image attractive when used in moderation. The problem with digital photography is that it seems, by its nature, to attract all kinds of fads, such as 'Big Stopper' milky water to be seen in camera clubs everywhere and, of course, the 'new' Thambar which has brought all kinds of soft focus photos onto these pages. Older lenses may, indeed, have 'design faults' which can produce images which some people can find attractive. The point I was making was that sometimes the things which have happened after manufacture can also add 'character' to a lens, such as haze. As for the Manchester lens, I would not buy it without testing it. The rephrasing of the ad by the Manchester Leica Store won't change the nature of the item, but it might help its reputation a bit. They were right to draw attention to the haze, of course. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevik Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share #12 Posted January 8, 2018 Yes William, I don't disagree that age can add or take away something, it will not alter bokeh or create a classic look, that was created before the ravages of time altered anything. All the best, Kev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted January 8, 2018 Share #13 Posted January 8, 2018 I agree with the OP that the advert is complete bollocks and totally misleading. The shop needs to change that advert or they could face a law suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 8, 2018 Share #14 Posted January 8, 2018 Lawsuit? Crikey! That sounds serious. I wonder what the cause of action would be? Telling the truth about the haze, or misrepresenting a ink between haze and bokeh? It must be worth millions in damages. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 8, 2018 Share #15 Posted January 8, 2018 So are you all saying that Leica lenses don't actually mature with age? Is hazing not a part of their charm? Does their bokeh not subtly shift and become more sought after the older they get? No, I thought not . Someone was a little descriptively over enthusiastic . Perhaps they've been browsing the forum . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted January 8, 2018 Share #16 Posted January 8, 2018 Come on guys get real. If we can have brassed bodies and distressed jeans then why can't we have distressed lenses? This puts hundreds of pounds on to the value of some of my old equipment. I love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 8, 2018 Share #17 Posted January 8, 2018 Oh dear oh dear oh dear.... Leica 5cm (50mm) f/2.8 Elmar This screw fitting lens is in good cosmetic condition for its age The lens has slight hazing and fungus, producing a classic 'Bokeh' when used Condition - 6/10 SN - 1637489 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 8, 2018 Share #18 Posted January 8, 2018 Hazing doesn't produce bokeh. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 8, 2018 Share #19 Posted January 8, 2018 Oh dear oh dear oh dear.... Leica 5cm (50mm) f/2.8 Elmar This screw fitting lens is in good cosmetic condition for its age The lens has slight hazing and fungus, producing a classic 'Bokeh' when used Condition - 6/10 SN - 1637489 Agree- should have added "and will improve over time". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 8, 2018 Share #20 Posted January 8, 2018 Oh dear oh dear oh dear.... Leica 5cm (50mm) f/2.8 Elmar This screw fitting lens is in good cosmetic condition for its age The lens has slight hazing and fungus, producing a classic 'Bokeh' when used Condition - 6/10 SN - 1637489 James, you must be hunting for these tonight! William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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