What 2 lenses for M10 if I also have the Q?

[phongph]

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I really like the look of the 50 apo. I'm not sure the f2 is the best choice for me, though. Not for the depth of field, but rather because I enjoy doing a fair amount of low light shooting. I don't think I need to move to the noctilux, but I tend to like capturing the ambiance of dimly lit rooms.

 

Hi!

I have got M10 with M35 Lux, M50 Apo and M75 Lux. I feel that M50 Apo in low light to make very nice render and sharp picture!

You can try this len if possible!

Have a good day!

Thanks!

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[Jeff S]

I really like the look of the 50 apo. I'm not sure the f2 is the best choice for me, though. Not for the depth of field, but rather because I enjoy doing a fair amount of low light shooting. I don't think I need to move to the noctilux, but I tend to like capturing the ambiance of dimly lit rooms.

Plenty of photographers managed to shoot in dim light with f2 and ASA 400 film. If one can't do that with 6400 or more ISO with modern machines like the M10, coupled with modern PP capabilities, the fault doesn't lie with the gear.

 

Methinks you're developing an early case of GAS. Rent, demo or buy a lens and get shooting. There aren't really any bad Leica M lenses.

 

Jeff

[M11 for me]

I think that when considering a focal lenggh it depends as well on what you plan to shoot. Of course you can consider 75 or 90mm. But be aware that only with 28 or 35mm you have a depth of field that is deep enough so that you can quickly focus or even pre-focus when shooting street or party/family. With the Q you had AF. With 50mm or longer you need aperture 11 or smaller to have a reasonable dof. When coming from camera with AF you have to well think this through. And with small aperture you need a lot of light. You need no f/1.4 for street unless you use wide angle. I think that is why many „old“ photographers used a 35mm for street. They simply pre-focused to be fast.

[jlindstrom]

Reading throug you’re other thread as well, it looks like you’re shelling a ton of money in state of incertainty.

 

In all honesty, you’re getting too many cameras and lenses. If you want rangefinder, return the other cameras you’ve just bought.

 

Get the M10 and just one lens. In this situation, I would get the 50mm (I would probably get the 50 Summilux).

 

Learn rangefinder & manual photography with it. When you’ve got the hang of that, then expand your lens choices - but not overkill.

 

In the mean time, when you need wider, the iPhone will give you a 28mm. So you’ll get the feel for that as well.

 

When some time has gone by, you’ll know if the iPhones 28 is right or if you need wider/narrower -> buy 21 or 35 to accompany the 50.

 

If you feel you’re missing out in the long end with the 50, you’ll know what to get depending on how much you’re missing out. And then get any one of the 75/90/135 (I’d get 90).

 

Currently I’m shooting with just 28 & 50 and don’t really feel like missing out on anything.

 

I’ve spent unnecessary large pile of cash in camera gear over the years. I’ve had and sold numerous cameras and lenses, sometimea owning more than one system at a time... at worst 3 different cameras. Always had to struggle on which one to use. Same goes for too many lenses.

 

Now I seem to finally have ended in my ”happy place”. One camera, two lenses - no more struggles which to use.

 

And if need be, the iPhone, which is always with me.

 

So my advice, from experience, is to take a step back & simplify. Don’t even try to buy everything you need at once. Take time to learn the M10 and make choices based on need as they unveil.

[M11 for me]

. . .

Currently I’m shooting with just 28 & 50 and don’t really feel like missing out on anything.

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I like this statement a lot. And (for me and you anyway) it is so much correct. With Canon I have 10 lenses (ptimes and fast zooms). But this is another world. Leica for me is „slow photography“ (like slow food).

 

Tomorrow I have to document a big event. I‘ll go with the Canon 5 Mk4 plus 135 2.0 plus 50mm 1.4 and probably 70-200 2.8. Maybe 24-70mm. I have to deliver sharp material and the light will probably be bad. I have no second chance and people will not wait until I will take a shot. I have to be fast. That is not possible with Leica in the environment I will face tomorrow.

 

For everything else I use my M10. I have the 28 Cron, the 50 Lux and the 75 Cron. I dont need more. I extensively use Lightroom for post processing. With croping I get 35 or 90mm. But most often I do NOT crop. Its just a question of where I place myself. I love this way of photographing. Thats how I started some 50 years ago: Fix 50mm on a Voigtlander body.

[Dr. G]

Reading throug you’re other thread as well, it looks like you’re shelling a ton of money in state of incertainty.

 

In all honesty, you’re getting too many cameras and lenses. If you want rangefinder, return the other cameras you’ve just bought.

 

Get the M10 and just one lens. In this situation, I would get the 50mm (I would probably get the 50 Summilux).

 

Learn rangefinder & manual photography with it. When you’ve got the hang of that, then expand your lens choices - but not overkill.

 

In the mean time, when you need wider, the iPhone will give you a 28mm. So you’ll get the feel for that as well.

 

When some time has gone by, you’ll know if the iPhones 28 is right or if you need wider/narrower -> buy 21 or 35 to accompany the 50.

 

If you feel you’re missing out in the long end with the 50, you’ll know what to get depending on how much you’re missing out. And then get any one of the 75/90/135 (I’d get 90).

 

Currently I’m shooting with just 28 & 50 and don’t really feel like missing out on anything.

 

I’ve spent unnecessary large pile of cash in camera gear over the years. I’ve had and sold numerous cameras and lenses, sometimea owning more than one system at a time... at worst 3 different cameras. Always had to struggle on which one to use. Same goes for too many lenses.

 

Now I seem to finally have ended in my ”happy place”. One camera, two lenses - no more struggles which to use.

 

And if need be, the iPhone, which is always with me.

 

So my advice, from experience, is to take a step back & simplify. Don’t even try to buy everything you need at once. Take time to learn the M10 and make choices based on need as they unveil.

 

Thank you for this.  With the Q and its 28mm, it gives me a lot of flexibility - plus the ability to grab and go.  The macro mode on it will enable me to take plated food shots on my culinary trip in January.  I know from experienced that the Q can work well enough in low light as long as I'm not really pushing the ISO. Please understand that although I can work the Q manually, my wife cannot - so we do need to always take one camera with us with an a fully automatic option.  If you have a better suggestion than the Q for image quality at a more reasonable price, I would be open to it as well.

 

I looked at a bunch of photos last night taken with the 35, 50 and 75.  I really liked the 50s the most and felt it had a great deal of versatility.  My eye was most drawn to the APO 50 cron.  I'm going to just go with the 50 on the M and take the time to really learn the camera. 

[a.noctilux]

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So your thinking of one lens to begin with your M10 is nice.

 

One lens (a time) on M (or LTM in my case) is the thing that I forgot and recovered not long ago.

 

I wanted to "cover the most event", but when I had 3 lenses, the one mounted on the M was not the right one for what I wanted to photograph.

And with one lens I admit to use that one for what it can "produce" and peace of mind (for those "lost pictures").

 

Later on, I have the Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 for "one-lens-with-three-field" and this wasn't the universal lens I hope for.

Now my wife use the MATE and I use one of my choice (but only one).

 

50mm lens.

I have a bunch of them  (built from '30's till now) and they're all different in using and handling.

 

To resume, in your situation, I would buy Summilux-M 1.4/50 in Asph. or not (the one "pre-asph. with hood/E46 filter" is my prefered for it's short throw focus to 70cm).

I had at one time the Lux 50 Asph., but sold it for I used it very little, and some younger wanted to try it.

 

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For the opinions Summilux-M 50 asph. vs Apo-Summicron-M 2/50, look here :

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277598-50-lux-vs-50-apo/

[Dr. G]

So your thinking of one lens to begin with your M10 is nice.

 

One lens (a time) on M (or LTM in my case) is the thing that I forgot and recovered not long ago.

 

I wanted to "cover the most event", but when I had 3 lenses, the one mounted on the M was not the right one for what I wanted to photograph.

And with one lens I admit to use that one for what it can "produce" and peace of mind (for those "lost pictures").

 

Later on, I have the Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 for "one-lens-with-three-field" and this wasn't the universal lens I hope for.

Now my wife use the MATE and I use one of my choice (but only one).

 

50mm lens.

I have a bunch of them  (built from '30's till now) and they're all different in using and handling.

 

To resume, in your situation, I would buy Summilux-M 1.4/50 in Asph. or not (the one "pre-asph. with hood/E46 filter" is my prefered for it's short throw focus to 70cm).

I had at one time the Lux 50 Asph., but sold it for I used it very little, and some younger wanted to try it.

 

...

For the opinions Summilux-M 50 asph. vs Apo-Summicron-M 2/50, look here :

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277598-50-lux-vs-50-apo/

 

Just curious what the rationale is for the recommendation of the Summilux-M 1.4/50 ASPH over the APO.  Is it because, from what I've read, technique needs to be spot on to extract all that the APO is capable of?

[jaapv]

Or, because the APO is overkill for most use. The Summilux is a nice median between the Noctilux and the APO.

[Dr. G]

Sounds good.  I just ordered the Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 in silver. 

[M11 for me]

Sounds good.  I just ordered the Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 in silver.

 

oh, why silver. You know that it is much heavier than the black version (about +150g) . . . I made that mistake as I did not know the facts.

[Dr. G]

oh, why silver. You know that it is much heavier than the black version (about +150g) . . . I made that mistake as I did not know the facts.

 

Only because I ordered a silver M10.  Perhaps I should change it - my B&W filters are only black, anyway.

[M11 for me]

Well, I have the silver 50 Cron. The 28 and 75 Cron exist only in black and look beautiful on my silver M10. For tha same reason as you mention I have ordered the 50 in silver. But ist is really „heavy“ and hangs down in front. The light 28mm ist much more equilibred.

 

But its now how it is. Its a beautiful lens. No doubt.

[a.noctilux]

Only because I ordered a silver M10.  Perhaps I should change it - my B&W filters are only black, anyway.

 

In today's M lenses, only this Summilux-M 50mm Asph. is made of chrome brass in silver, so it's weight is 465g while the Black anodized only 335g.

 

As side note, brass lenses are heavy but last "forever"

- my silver Summicron DR / SOMNI (made in 1960) is 304g and with the goggles 357g so heavier than black Summilux-M 50mm Asph.

 

- now I prefer lighter lenses so Summarit-M 2.5/50 at 180g (and very short) is my favorite "everyday 50mm"

- just for fun I use also Summaron-M 5.6/28mm (very compact and a beauty of lens, in silver chrome), 165g.

[Berlinman]

I really like the look of the 50 apo. I'm not sure the f2 is the best choice for me, though. Not for the depth of field, but rather because I enjoy doing a fair amount of low light shooting. I don't think I need to move to the noctilux, but I tend to like capturing the ambiance of dimly lit rooms.

Do a personal test! The 50Apo is extremely good in low light. I had the 50lux and have the 1.0/50Noct. I only use the Noct for the different rendering and I don‘t miss the lux.

 

 

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[M11 for me]

Do a personal test! The 50Apo is extremely good in low light. I had the 50lux and have the 1.0/50Noct. I only use the Noct for the different rendering and I don‘t miss the lux.

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Well, the Lux gathers double the amount of light than the 2.0 Cron. Or if you want ISO 3200 instead of 6400 as an example. That is a big difference. If you do not mind the additional amount of noise you are fine.

[otto.f]

I was able to pick up a new M10 in silver today.  I recently purchased the Q to replace my RX1R ii.  I liked the 35mm of the RX1R ii but sometimes wished I had a little more length on the lens. The 28mm of the Q is nice and wide and it's a great grab and go camera.

 

 I'm thinking for the M10 that the Summilux-M 50 f/1.4 ASPH would be a good lens to complement the Q, but was wondering if I should go with a 90mm as well.

 

The other option I'm thinking about is using the 35mm Summilux-M f/1.4 ASPH because I'm used to shooting 35mm from THE Sony and adding 75mm APO Summicron-M f/2 ASPH.

 

Any thoughts?

Great idea and sell the Q then