mdemeyer Posted October 22, 2017 Share #81 Posted October 22, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I seem to remember Ansel Adams quoted as saying his field kit contained, “two assistants”, after which pretty much whatever he wanted. ;-) You left out the most important ingredient of all... a strong back to be able to hump it all around. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgh Posted November 1, 2017 Share #82 Posted November 1, 2017 Hi There PGH I quite agree with you, in terms of dynamic range / low noise and high resolution the newer Sony sensors are wonderful (I’m sure you’ll excuse me for leaving out sharpness - such a complicated concept) - but you miss out a relevant issue - many of those around here are wanting to use their M lenses on the Sony cameras, and at this point the design of the sensor (cover glass thickness, sensor well design) becomes another really tangible and measurable problem. There is a general feeling that this only relates to older wide angle designs, but even modern lenses like the 50 ‘lux Asph suffer really quite badly on sensors with thicker cover glass (like those on the Sony cameras). I know, I’ve spent a lot of time doing comparisons. I could have a big argument about IQ already being quite sufficient for several years on many cameras (but I won’t bother). But I think that if you are requiring the absolute in terms of Image Quality then rule number one is: Use the Lenses Designed for the Camera . . . And this applies absolutely as much for the Sony cameras with M lenses as any other combination Can't argue with you there. My comparison comes from the point of view of using the Zeiss 28m f/2 and 55mm 1.8 on my Sony, and also the Rx1RII which has a very nice 35mm lens permanently attached to that sensor. I do also use a 90mm 2.8 sonnar (contax G mount) on my A7RII to very good, but not as excellent results. Still, it's never stopped me from shooting. But yes, I've never been much a fan of the lens swapping and adapting unless totally necessary. It's usually just more headache than it's worth, at least for my purposes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted November 1, 2017 Share #83 Posted November 1, 2017 Well, I thought he left out the only important bit . . . it needs to be a good image (and if it isn't, then, frankly, it don't matter what camera you took it on!) Wish that were the case. Of course it is subjective but there are tons of shit images peddled constantly, taken on the best cameras and the worst. In reality, I think it is generally a safe, derivative, and pretty image that sells. None of those things indicate a good photograph in my mind. Some good photographs are pretty, but it's not a necessity by any means. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted November 1, 2017 Share #84 Posted November 1, 2017 I would rather use the Live view than EVF. considering the camera is on a tripod anyway. EVF is like every Leica one in that refresh is too slow and the image jumps place to place. Get a small loupe like for a view camera and live view works fine and the image is not up side down and reversed l/r. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted November 2, 2017 Share #85 Posted November 2, 2017 I would rather use the Live view than EVF. considering the camera is on a tripod anyway. EVF is like every Leica one in that refresh is too slow and the image jumps place to place. Get a small loupe like for a view camera and live view works fine and the image is not up side down and reversed l/r. Eeeeew. No thanks. The M10 EVF is (a) pretty decent with a good refresh rate ( able to tilt, which makes ground an waist level shooting a breeze, © also a GPS unit and (d) vastly smaller and more convenient than a loupe. I use a loupe on my S007 and Pentax 645Z. Even with the tilting screen on the latter a loupe isn't a substitute for a decent EVF. Gordon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted August 1, 2018 Share #86 Posted August 1, 2018 Going back to recent experience of preparing prints at 13x19 (A3+) for a recent exhibition (http://www.ctribble.co.uk/18_Trees_Exhibition.html) I now have full confidence in using the M10 for landscape work. It’s light enough and flexible enough to cover everything I want to do, and produces files that could go up to 16x24 (A2) with full confidence. I’m sure there are other systems which will produce great results, but if you want a system you can carry all day into remote and difficult terrain, I’ve not found anything better! 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 1, 2018 Share #87 Posted August 1, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Going back to recent experience of preparing prints at 13x19 (A3+) for a recent exhibition (http://www.ctribble.co.uk/18_Trees_Exhibition.html) I now have full confidence in using the M10 for landscape work. It’s light enough and flexible enough to cover everything I want to do, and produces files that could go up to 16x24 (A2) with full confidence. I’m sure there are other systems which will produce great results, but if you want a system you can carry all day into remote and difficult terrain, I’ve not found anything better! Hi There Chris Lovely tree images - and great article as well. I've just had an M10 print made up to 38" (don't ask) and it looks wonderful. Great detail and really no grounds for concern. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strohscw Posted August 1, 2018 Share #88 Posted August 1, 2018 Going back to recent experience of preparing prints at 13x19 (A3+) for a recent exhibition (http://www.ctribble.co.uk/18_Trees_Exhibition.html) I now have full confidence in using the M10 for landscape work. It’s light enough and flexible enough to cover everything I want to do, and produces files that could go up to 16x24 (A2) with full confidence. I’m sure there are other systems which will produce great results, but if you want a system you can carry all day into remote and difficult terrain, I’ve not found anything better! Hi Chris, thanks for the link, I really love Your tree images! Greetings Wolfram 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted August 1, 2018 Share #89 Posted August 1, 2018 Going back to recent experience of preparing prints at 13x19 (A3+) for a recent exhibition (http://www.ctribble.co.uk/18_Trees_Exhibition.html) I now have full confidence in using the M10 for landscape work. It’s light enough and flexible enough to cover everything I want to do, and produces files that could go up to 16x24 (A2) with full confidence. I’m sure there are other systems which will produce great results, but if you want a system you can carry all day into remote and difficult terrain, I’ve not found anything better! Some fantastic images Chris, thanks for the link. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sls Posted August 1, 2018 Share #90 Posted August 1, 2018 I've been in Namibia the last couple of weeks and been snapping a lot of landscape with M10 and Q. The M is excellent for the task, mainly with a 90/f2 ASPH or a 50 Lux ASPH. Some images back and forward from here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/101163644@N04/43570273152/in/dateposted-ff/ Also safari shots using 180 Telyt-R and 2x APO - 360mm with Visoflex and a monopod. Works a dream. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted August 2, 2018 Share #91 Posted August 2, 2018 My only quibble has been the removal of the e-level. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted August 2, 2018 Share #92 Posted August 2, 2018 Going back to recent experience of preparing prints at 13x19 (A3+) for a recent exhibition (http://www.ctribble.co.uk/18_Trees_Exhibition.html) I now have full confidence in using the M10 for landscape work. It’s light enough and flexible enough to cover everything I want to do, and produces files that could go up to 16x24 (A2) with full confidence. I’m sure there are other systems which will produce great results, but if you want a system you can carry all day into remote and difficult terrain, I’ve not found anything better! Just to reinforce your remarks Chris, my default print size from my M10 is A2. I am confident it will go quite a bit further (but my printer doesn't ). My M9 was frequently taken to A2 for public display (theatrical shots) since ever. Come to think of it, My M8's did it also. I must say I can vouch for the improved output of the M10 for such displays. I frequently push it to the iso limit (one stop short of the scale 3200) with very acceptable results. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 3, 2018 Share #93 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) I seem to remember Ansel Adams quoted as saying his field kit contained, “two assistants”, after which pretty much whatever he wanted. ;-) He also used a mule from time to time but also a station wagon that he off-roaded and which had a photography platform on top. So often he only had to climb a ladder, and as I recall 'Moonrise' was made from this fancy roof rack. This is why photographers now often find it impossible to get exactly the same viewpoint as Adams, he was twelve feet higher and it could make a big difference in the composition. But I agree with Tobey about using LV rather than an EVF. When the camera is on a tripod it free's you from the restricted vision of looking into a viewfinder, you can work instead how Adams worked, and it's how I was taught. Frame the photo, focus it, then stand back, compare what you have on LV (or ground glass) with what is in front of you, walk around a bit, make changes, look at the clouds and the light and anticipate if it will change for the better or worse in the next few minutes. Most of all when you press the shutter do not look through the viewfinder, look at the scene overall, take it all in. It is far more contemplative, and the slow pace more rewarding, than squinting into the dark tunnel of the viewfinder or EVF. Edited August 3, 2018 by 250swb 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted August 3, 2018 Share #94 Posted August 3, 2018 My only quibble has been the removal of the e-level. More than a quibble. It really pissed me off! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 3, 2018 Share #95 Posted August 3, 2018 He also used a mule from time to time but also a station wagon that he off-roaded and which had a photography platform on top. So often he only had to climb a ladder, and as I recall 'Moonrise' was made from this fancy roof rack. This is why photographers now often find it impossible to get exactly the same viewpoint as Adams, he was twelve feet higher and it could make a big difference in the composition. . A good friend of mine, who shoots multiple formats (film and digital), still builds a removable roof platform for his vehicles, including his new Audi Q7. At my age, I’d be lucky not to fall and break my neck. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted August 4, 2018 Share #96 Posted August 4, 2018 There is a lot to be said for either an elevated or 'worms eye' view. IOW, not a normal viewpoint. Many times I have 'walked' on the roof of my car, or lain down in the gutter to improve my images. I even tried carrying a step ladder in my car on occasions. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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