MP240 highest ISO - grainy shots

[RHarrisPhoto]

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Really wonderful photos.

Your photos have a very natural analog look to them and beautiful grain.

In terms of sharpness they have a 2.25 look.

For years I shot Hasselblad with Plus X or FP4, your photos have that feel.

 

Care to share your B&W conversion technique ? .......Please

Do you tone warm...vs cool?

and the grain....is ASA125 intentional..... I'm sure? 

Some of your low light photos have that Tri X contrast

 

Don't tell me your simply clicking 000 Neutral  in Nik Silver Effects Pro

.....your doing a lot more thinking and you have an amazing knowledge of the history of b&W film. 

 

Man you have digital B&W down!

You photos are so beautifully understated ....like your doing nothing special....but you are!

 

 

Hey, thank you Evan, you're very kind with your compliments. Really nice that you've seen that as well as I guess it reflects a place that I'm at, and have been for a while, and that I'm trying to keep exploring. I find images led by (especially purely by) design less interesting, so I try keep a casualness about how I make an image - in the sense that it's just been discovered in a glancing way, rather than defined and ordered in absolute terms. Naturally a cynic will look for the snapshot criticism under any rock, but I'm fine with that as I only shoot for myself or my wedding clients.

 

I grew up in love with HP5 and HP4 (though HP5 dialed into a specific look was always the one I loved the most). I am somewhat influenced by that too. I predominately shoot in B&W for everything so I have enough time to try different thing but I really don't deviate much at all these days as I just want something relatively consistent. I used to do duotones in my early days, first digital camera, but I avoid it now as I just want something as simple as possible. And that will print easily and beautifully.

 

The shots in the link were very quickly edited as I'm knee deep in work edits. My process is something like this.

 

- I'm using a CV 35/1.4 SC - so naturally low contrast, low micro contrast, a little prone to flare. It has a look.

- I'm in DNG and importing to LR (the last stand along version, whatever that was)

- These were in very harsh mid day sunlight in Bulgaria

- There was no special care taken with exposure other than mostly stopping down a lot when possible

- I've used the built in grain, and then just sliders to adjust the contrast and exposure.

- I would say the key difference to my normal edits is I kept towards low contrast when possible. I am just using the contrast slider, keeping it very low. This is partly by necessity due to the light being so harsh but also because I enjoy the lower contrast look as well.

 

I am going to be biased as I do have to think about workflow (due to time constraints) but I honestly have never been bothered to put that much time into processing. I did when I was a kid; I'd use multiple texture, exposures, even paint and photograph that and merge them, and do all sorts of things with multiple layers and painting / blending them in. That is fine and was fun but is very far away from my desires now; both philosophically and in terms of how much time I wish to put into it. I have a simple action I've made in LR that dials in some default sharpening, grain, contrast adjustments - then all I generally have to add is some exposure difference, which, if you're careful and consistent, can be done in bulk too. 

 

I usually have more contrast but I'm going to explore this look further I think. But other examples on my other site are here, taken with the same setup:

 

http://ourfragments.com/untitled/

http://ourfragments.com/passing-through-yesterday/

 

Whereas these are with the same setup and some with the RX1 as well (which was my personal cam before the Leica, which does have great grain at high iso, I've shot to 25K at night indoors at weddings, printing at 12 inches and the grain structure is very pleasant and natural):

 

http://ourfragments.com/figments-of-fragments/

 

Hope my explanation helps! Sorry that there isn't anything fancy going on!

[ECohen]

Hey, thank you Evan, you're very kind with your compliments. Really nice that you've seen that as well as I guess it reflects a place that I'm at, and have been for a while, and that I'm trying to keep exploring. I find images led by (especially purely by) design less interesting, so I try keep a casualness about how I make an image - in the sense that it's just been discovered in a glancing way, rather than defined and ordered in absolute terms. Naturally a cynic will look for the snapshot criticism under any rock, but I'm fine with that as I only shoot for myself or my wedding clients.

 

I grew up in love with HP5 and HP4 (though HP5 dialed into a specific look was always the one I loved the most). I am somewhat influenced by that too. I predominately shoot in B&W for everything so I have enough time to try different thing but I really don't deviate much at all these days as I just want something relatively consistent. I used to do duotones in my early days, first digital camera, but I avoid it now as I just want something as simple as possible. And that will print easily and beautifully.

 

The shots in the link were very quickly edited as I'm knee deep in work edits. My process is something like this.

 

- I'm using a CV 35/1.4 SC - so naturally low contrast, low micro contrast, a little prone to flare. It has a look.

- I'm in DNG and importing to LR (the last stand along version, whatever that was)

- These were in very harsh mid day sunlight in Bulgaria

- There was no special care taken with exposure other than mostly stopping down a lot when possible

- I've used the built in grain, and then just sliders to adjust the contrast and exposure.

- I would say the key difference to my normal edits is I kept towards low contrast when possible. I am just using the contrast slider, keeping it very low. This is partly by necessity due to the light being so harsh but also because I enjoy the lower contrast look as well.

 

I am going to be biased as I do have to think about workflow (due to time constraints) but I honestly have never been bothered to put that much time into processing. I did when I was a kid; I'd use multiple texture, exposures, even paint and photograph that and merge them, and do all sorts of things with multiple layers and painting / blending them in. That is fine and was fun but is very far away from my desires now; both philosophically and in terms of how much time I wish to put into it. I have a simple action I've made in LR that dials in some default sharpening, grain, contrast adjustments - then all I generally have to add is some exposure difference, which, if you're careful and consistent, can be done in bulk too. 

 

I usually have more contrast but I'm going to explore this look further I think. But other examples on my other site are here, taken with the same setup:

 

http://ourfragments.com/untitled/

http://ourfragments.com/passing-through-yesterday/

 

Whereas these are with the same setup and some with the RX1 as well (which was my personal cam before the Leica, which does have great grain at high iso, I've shot to 25K at night indoors at weddings, printing at 12 inches and the grain structure is very pleasant and natural):

 

http://ourfragments.com/figments-of-fragments/

 

Hope my explanation helps! Sorry that there isn't anything fancy going on!

 

Yea sure .....your photos look like snapshots...... and the years it took to develop that beautiful simple style.

 

Thank you for showing us that for great digital black and white, all you need is LR and a lot of years of experience to know what few tweaks it takes.

 

Great stuff !      Your clients are very lucky.

 

[250swb]

Silver Efex Pro

Sadly this wonderful program will disappear in the very near future...best to not hitch your wagon to it.

One would be better off learning how to create the same effects in LR or PS

Even OnOne or Topaz plug ins would be a better choice

 

I for one am sad about this i really enjoyed  Nik software

 

In your imagination what is it that tells you any other software programme won't stop working in the future? The Nik software is simply not being developed any more, they have gone as far as they can logically go with it's development. It could just be the case that the Nik Suite will remain generic enough to see other programmes out, and to say 'don't hitch your wagon to it' smacks of short sighted panic. And if it does stop working, and if we all do need a new programme, then it will take about a morning of familiarisation to adapt to it, just like it did (does) with Silver Efex Pro. So big deal, wow, how will we all get over that trauma....................

[lct]

Natural grainy shot are difficult to achieve with the M240 as either there is no grain enough (up to 3200 iso) or grains are accompanied with banding (6400 iso or underexposed shots). Silver Efex works fine though.

[ECohen]

250swb:  "take about a morning of familiarisation"

 

Wow I wish I had your brain....photography and art doesn't come as easy to me as it does to you.

Did you feel the same way  switching from film to digital.......Did it just take a morning of familiarisation?

 

So teach me what is your black and white workflow? .......Hit a few sliders done and done and it prints great?

Help me get better at my craft ....please.

[justj]

ISO 6400 by mistake

Praying Monk @ Shwedagon

[Steve Ash]

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great shot

 

 

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