Tailwagger Posted July 14, 2017 Share #21 Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) beautiful car. But can we judge the B&W capabilites of the M10 when looking at so small pictures? It depends which capabilities you're interested in. Contrasting Stephan's shot to this one, I think, at least from a tonality perspective, you can get a sense of the ability of the camera to produce convincing B&W images. Edited July 14, 2017 by Tailwagger 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Hi Tailwagger, Take a look here M10 Black & White. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stephan54 Posted July 14, 2017 Share #22 Posted July 14, 2017 An other one and somewhat larger Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 50 asph 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 50 asph ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/274346-m10-black-white/?do=findComment&comment=3315920'>More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share #23 Posted July 15, 2017 It depends which capabilities you're interested in. Contrasting Stephan's shot to this one, I think, at least from a tonality perspective, you can get a sense of the ability of the camera to produce convincing B&W images. Yes, this is what I'm talking about. The b/w looks great on m10. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fjeld Posted July 15, 2017 Share #24 Posted July 15, 2017 With the M10 one certainly doesn't need an M246 as the quality of the black and white photos looks gorgeous - and that's only judging from the examples provided in the M10 section of this forum. And that Panhard looks superb! At some point the files from 246 will be surpassed by a new Monochrome camera, but as of yet it is still unsurpassed as it has certain special qualities. There is a transparency and perhaps contrast with the M246 which is simply fabulous. Skies in particular appear with fine lines and a delicacy I haven't seen before ever. Having said that I would be more than pleased with the M10 with black and white photography. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjay Posted July 16, 2017 Share #25 Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Here's a direct comparison - one taken with M246 and one with M10. Any guesses about which is which? The M10 image had a one click monochrome conversion in PS6 without any colour channel adjustments. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 16, 2017 by Pjay 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/274346-m10-black-white/?do=findComment&comment=3316537'>More sharing options...
mhicks Posted July 16, 2017 Share #26 Posted July 16, 2017 I don't know which is which but in the top photo there seems to be more shades of gray in the shadows so I will guess the top is from the 246 and the bottom the M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted July 16, 2017 Share #27 Posted July 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) They both look excellent Pjay. Now it just depends which pundits prefer..the less or more contrast. Either M10,M240, or M246 can be made the same..or so very different. B&W generally, on the Forum, show a lack of understanding of dodge&burn...so important in B&W. I find generally the M246, and the other monochromes too contrasty. A good set to test the people who guess, and those who really see the difference...print may be different with a loupe though... Thanks for the comparison... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupdefoudre Posted July 16, 2017 Share #28 Posted July 16, 2017 I don't know which is which but in the top photo there seems to be more shades of gray in the shadows so I will guess the top is from the 246 and the bottom the M10. Ditto, my guess, as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted July 16, 2017 Share #29 Posted July 16, 2017 I don't know which is which but in the top photo there seems to be more shades of gray in the shadows so I will guess the top is from the 246 and the bottom the M10. The top picture just looks grey all over...not a full range of brightness. I'm not guessing as any camera nowadays, can produces pretty good B&W depending on the processing. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 16, 2017 Share #30 Posted July 16, 2017 All I can say from screen reproduction is that the bottom (2nd) image displays marginally more contrast. I would venture that either/both could be made absolutely equal to the desired outcome, which usually does not come straight from any camera, without some PP. Easily achieved with either from the two pics shown. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted July 16, 2017 Share #31 Posted July 16, 2017 All I can say from screen reproduction is that the bottom (2nd) image displays marginally more contrast. I would venture that either/both could be made absolutely equal to the desired outcome, which usually does not come straight from any camera, without some PP. Easily achieved with either from the two pics shown. Exactly... With any camera, digital,...it's all in the processing. Film definetely has a different, gorgeous look. ...trust you and yours are comfy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjay Posted July 16, 2017 Share #32 Posted July 16, 2017 David and Erl correctly identified the extra contrast on the lower image, a signature of the M246. Both images were straight out of camera, with +10 on the clarity slider and a slight tweak on the levels adjustment for the M10 image to get the exposure closer to the lower image. Agreed that PP gives great latitude for editing with both starting points. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted July 16, 2017 Share #33 Posted July 16, 2017 Thanks Pjay.. I think you have misinterpreted our posts. Neither of us "guessed". We both believe in processing...not the camera. Thanks for the ride... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjay Posted July 16, 2017 Share #34 Posted July 16, 2017 Thanks Pjay.. I think you have misinterpreted our posts. Neither of us "guessed". No misinterpretation David, I indicated that what was identified was an image with greater contrast, not that it was attributed to a particular camera by either of you.... By the way, the BMW is a great ride! ;>) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 16, 2017 Share #35 Posted July 16, 2017 Here's a direct comparison - one taken with M246 and one with M10. Any guesses about which is which? The M10 image had a one click monochrome conversion in PS6 without any colour channel adjustments. So the conversion depends on the default preset of PS, which can be anything the user sets it to. It might be better for a comparison to process both to look as much alike as possible. My guess would be that you will not be able to see a significant difference on a small Internet JPG but would notice a considerable difference on a reasonable-sized print. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted July 16, 2017 Share #36 Posted July 16, 2017 No misinterpretation David, I indicated that what was identified was an image with greater contrast, not that it was attributed to a particular camera by either of you.... By the way, the BMW is a great ride! ;>) Cheers Pjay...we have to stick together... I appreciate your post. I'll watch for more... ...all best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 16, 2017 Share #37 Posted July 16, 2017 It depends which capabilities you're interested in. Contrasting Stephan's shot to this one, I think, at least from a tonality perspective, you can get a sense of the ability of the camera to produce convincing B&W images. Those Tigres were lovely cars, The sound of that flat air-cooled twin boxer was very distinctive. They stick ther tongue out, don't they? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arno_nyhm Posted July 16, 2017 Share #38 Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) I really think the m10 is as good as monochrom, if not better. in fact it is better. especially, when it comes to taking color-pictures! Edited July 16, 2017 by arno_nyhm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 16, 2017 Share #39 Posted July 16, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 16, 2017 Share #40 Posted July 16, 2017 As Pjay did not show pics ooc but went through pp I would like to ask you if you could lighten up the slighly darker sides of the byce and to pist again. At the moment the 2 pics do not look alike and definitely the second one shows more contrast. Because of this my guess was that the second one was from the b&w cam. But I believe that you can adjust. It might not work though as the dark part might change in an undesirable way. But lets try first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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