M 10 P a plea for the small wheel.

[Paulus]

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Of course there will be a MP version of the M 10.  We shall have to wait for another 1,5 year but it will come. 

 

Thinking about the shutter-speed- wheel introduced on the M6TTL maybe it's time to reverse something. 

 

The initial size of the M6TTL wheel was, to make it more easier to turn it, while having the camera on your eye and looking through the viewfinder, seeing iof the lightning was correct. The two arrows -> <- point you in right direction of turning the wheel , because the direction was changed since the M6 , where it would turn, the opposing direction of the arrows, making it difficult/confusing  to use in that way. 

 

But, who uses this technique in these days with " A " on the camera? 

 

In my opinion the wheel can loose its M6TTL size on all the coming cameras beginning with the M 10 P . Nobody complains about the small wheel on the MP at the moment? The shape of the M will look even more classical and in balance.

 

So please reinvent the small wheel. 

 

 

All in favor say : "aye " . 

 

All against it, please state your arguments..

[Eric1]

there is nothing wrong with ss wheel. much rather have them eliminate that ugly directional pad on back and use all touch screen.

[Tailwagger]

...much rather have them eliminate that ugly directional pad on back and use all touch screen.

 

Perhaps for an M-D, but the D-pad can be crucial for EVF use to move the focus zoom point around. 

[jaapv]

there is nothing wrong with ss wheel. much rather have them eliminate that ugly directional pad on back and use all touch screen.

Having a touch screen is quite impractical for left-eyed shooters, as they need to wear a plastic nose-cover.

[jaapv]

Of course there will be a MP version of the M 10.  We shall have to wait for another 1,5 year but it will come. 

 

Thinking about the shutter-speed- wheel introduced on the M6TTL maybe it's time to reverse something. 

 

The initial size of the M6TTL wheel was, to make it more easier to turn it, while having the camera on your eye and looking through the viewfinder, seeing iof the lightning was correct. The two arrows -> <- point you in right direction of turning the wheel , because the direction was changed since the M6 , where it would turn, the opposing direction of the arrows, making it difficult/confusing  to use in that way. 

 

But, who uses this technique in these days with " A " on the camera? 

 

In my opinion the wheel can loose its M6TTL size on all the coming cameras beginning with the M 10 P . Nobody complains about the small wheel on the MP at the moment? The shape of the M will look even more classical and in balance.

 

So please reinvent the small wheel. 

 

 

All in favor say : "aye " . 

 

All against it, please state your arguments..

I, for one, usually have all my cameras on manual, which is much better than guesstimating exposure compensation or half-press-recompose. "A" is fine and I will use it as needed, but  it is not my first preference. Nor do I see any advantage in a small wheel turning the wrong way.  Shape comes second to practicality in my book. A camera is a tool to be operated in an ergonomic way.

[ebf]

I love the m6ttl way - I have one to compliment my M10 and I shoot mostly manual.

 

I agree some things should go back to the “classical” way - I shoot a rangefinder! - but not this.

 

Let’s keep things sane

 

 

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[Paulus]

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I, for one, usually have all my cameras on manual, which is much better than guesstimating exposure compensation or half-press-recompose. "A" is fine and I will use it as needed, but  it is not my first preference. Nor do I see any advantage in a small wheel turning the wrong way.  Shape comes second to practicality in my book. A camera is a tool to be operated in an ergonomic way.

 

I, for one , have always used my MP on manual, as it is the only way to use it.

 

Still I don't care about the fact, that the wheel is smaller than the M6TTL wheel en it's heirs.I have had plenty of them, I discarded of them. I never understood the , ergonomically , advantage of the big wheel.  I understand the advantage of a wheel turning the right way. 

 

MP 's are still made. No MP users complain about the " small " wheel at the moment... 

 

I also believe that a camera is a tool, but some good tools are more beautifully made than others.

 

If an M10P , which will arrive like the most M-P digital ,in his last year, made " more beautiful " , the " beautiful " part could , if you ask me, also include a smaller wheel, along with a double big buffer, sapphire glass and no " Leica " red dot.

 

IMHO the sapphire glass and omission of the dot are not because of ergonomical reasons.

[jdlaing]

I, for one , have always used my MP on manual, as it is the only way to use it.

 

Still I don't care about the fact, that the wheel is smaller than the M6TTL wheel en it's heirs.I have had plenty of them, I discarded of them. I never understood the , ergonomically , advantage of the big wheel. I understand the advantage of a wheel turning the right way.

 

MP 's are still made. No MP users complain about the " small " wheel at the moment...

 

I also believe that a camera is a tool, but some good tools are more beautifully made than others.

 

If an M10P , which will arrive like the most M-P digital ,in his last year, made " more beautiful " , the " beautiful " part could , if you ask me, also include a smaller wheel, along with a double big buffer, sapphire glass and no " Leica " red dot.

 

IMHO the sapphire glass and omission of the dot are not because of ergonomical reasons.

 

Neo-Luddism

Neo-Luddism or New Luddism is a philosophy opposing many forms of modern technology.[1] The word Luddite is generally used as a derogatory term applied to people showing technophobic leanings.[2] The name is based on the historical legacy of the British Luddites, who were active between 1811 and 1816.[1]

 

Neo-Luddism is a leaderless movement of non-affiliated groups who resist modern technologies and dictate a return of some or all technologies to a more primitive level.[3] Neo-Luddites are characterized by one or more of the following practices: passively abandoning the use of technology, harming those who produce technology, advocating simple living, or sabotaging technology. The modern Neo-Luddite movement has connections with the anti-globalization movement, anti-science movement, anti-liberalism, anarcho-primitivism, radical environmentalism, and Deep Ecology.[3]

 

Neo-Luddism is based on the concern of the technological impact on individuals, their communities, and/or the environment,[4] Neo-Luddism stipulates the use of the precautionary principle for all new technologies, insisting that technologies be proven safe before adoption, due to the unknown effects that new technologies might inspire.

[lct]

Neo-Luddites: Leica users unable to understand how Non-Luddites can manage to "touch" a screen when the camera is stuck on their face. 

[jmahto]

Neo-Luddites: Leica users unable to understand how Non-Luddites can manage to "touch" a screen when the camera is stuck on their face.

What about camera "fondling". Leica users do understands that..... I guess.

[Paulus]

Neo-Luddism

Neo-Luddism or New Luddism is a philosophy opposing many forms of modern technology.[1] The word Luddite is generally used as a derogatory term applied to people showing technophobic leanings.[2] The name is based on the historical legacy of the British Luddites, who were active between 1811 and 1816.[1]

 

Neo-Luddism is a leaderless movement of non-affiliated groups who resist modern technologies and dictate a return of some or all technologies to a more primitive level.[3] Neo-Luddites are characterized by one or more of the following practices: passively abandoning the use of technology, harming those who produce technology, advocating simple living, or sabotaging technology. The modern Neo-Luddite movement has connections with the anti-globalization movement, anti-science movement, anti-liberalism, anarcho-primitivism, radical environmentalism, and Deep Ecology.[3]

 

Neo-Luddism is based on the concern of the technological impact on individuals, their communities, and/or the environment,[4] Neo-Luddism stipulates the use of the precautionary principle for all new technologies, insisting that technologies be proven safe before adoption, due to the unknown effects that new technologies might inspire.

 

Nice quote, did not know the term. Not applicable here IMHO. Sometimes in making things better, we have to reshape. Are the people liking the M10 , because of its thinner body over the M 240 also "Luddites" ? 

 

IMHO the size of the wheel does not make the wheel better, only the direction of the wheel in accordance with the light symbols. 

[Paulus]

What about camera "fondling". Leica users do understands that..... I guess.

 

Yes that's better! 

[jdlaing]

Nice quote, did not know the term. Not applicable here IMHO. Sometimes in making things better, we have to reshape. Are the people liking the M10 , because of its thinner body over the M 240 also "Luddites" ?

 

IMHO the size of the wheel does not make the wheel better, only the direction of the wheel in accordance with the light symbols.

None of which has anything to do with making the statement that the cameras are set to manual because that's the only way they are meant to be used.

[jaapv]

I, for one , have always used my MP on manual, as it is the only way to use it.

 

Still I don't care about the fact, that the wheel is smaller than the M6TTL wheel en it's heirs.I have had plenty of them, I discarded of them. I never understood the , ergonomically , advantage of the big wheel.  I understand the advantage of a wheel turning the right way. 

 

MP 's are still made. No MP users complain about the " small " wheel at the moment... 

 

I also believe that a camera is a tool, but some good tools are more beautifully made than others.

 

If an M10P , which will arrive like the most M-P digital ,in his last year, made " more beautiful " , the " beautiful " part could , if you ask me, also include a smaller wheel, along with a double big buffer, sapphire glass and no " Leica " red dot.

 

IMHO the sapphire glass and omission of the dot are not because of ergonomical reasons.

The size does not matter to me as long as I can turn it easily and ergonomically. In the right direction ...

[Paulus]

None of which has anything to,do with making the statement that the cameras are set to manual because that's the way they are used.

 

I do not understand what you say? I don't want to put a camera on manual. Only am interested in a smaller dial because the larger dial is IMO unnecessary. The size of the two dials doesn't make a difference to my fingers, at least not noticeable. So why don't leave it it's original M6/MP size? With the digital camera's non frictional wheel,  it's even more unnecessary because the turning of the wheel is lighter so the physics of a larger wheel( F=M*A) apply less

[jdlaing]

But you said: "I, for one , have always used my MP on manual, as it is the only way to use it."

[Paulus]

But you said: "I, for one , have always used my MP on manual, as it is the only way to use it."

 

Yes the MP is a purely mechanical camera:

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/267593-i-love-my-mp/page-1

 

On my M 240 it's not necessary so I don't...I understand, the confusing between Leica MP and Leica M-P but Leica started this.

[Tailwagger]

What about camera "fondling". Leica users do understands that..... I guess.

 

While this almost certainly confirms my status as a un-Leicable Luddite, I far prefer sensuality practiced in front of the lens as opposed to behind it  

[arno_nyhm]

Of course there will be a MP version of the M 10.  We shall have to wait for another 1,5 year but it will come. 

 

Thinking about the shutter-speed- wheel introduced on the M6TTL maybe it's time to reverse something. 

 

The initial size of the M6TTL wheel was, to make it more easier to turn it, while having the camera on your eye and looking through the viewfinder, seeing iof the lightning was correct. The two arrows -> <- point you in right direction of turning the wheel , because the direction was changed since the M6 , where it would turn, the opposing direction of the arrows, making it difficult/confusing  to use in that way. 

 

But, who uses this technique in these days with " A " on the camera? 

 

In my opinion the wheel can loose its M6TTL size on all the coming cameras beginning with the M 10 P . Nobody complains about the small wheel on the MP at the moment? The shape of the M will look even more classical and in balance.

 

So please reinvent the small wheel. 

 

 

All in favor say : "aye " . 

 

All against it, please state your arguments..

 

aye. but actually i dont really care as the M10 seems to be perfect to me.

 

its just that red dot. just never will be friend with it. i put black adhessive over it. then the M10 gets closest to the M2 as possible for any digital M yet.

 

maybe the M10-P could sport the rangefinderdesign of the M2 with only 35-50-90 frames and without all those funny frames i never need nor use?

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[otto.f]

I completely disagree Paulus. I use the A mode less often than the manual Mode and the big wheel with the right directions should have been on the M6 from start of the arrows and dot in the viewfinder. In fact coming from the M4 at that time and seeing the arrows in the M6 I never got used to the reverse direction of the shutter dial, very unlogical indeed. So my first real interesting M6 was the M6TTL.

I suggest an a la carte M10P for the would-be nostalgic among us.