jaapv Posted July 3, 2017 Share #21 Posted July 3, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Take notes? As I recall the purist argument for the M-D revolved around losing the distractions that caused lost shots. Doesn't whipping out a notebook to record aperture fall into that category? purist, I'm a pragmatist. Bring it back says I. Yes, its an estimate. Yes, its almost never right. Yes, some don't like it. Just make it configurable and have it off by default. Others can ignore it entirely or implement what ever complex solution they care to. I just want a value at a glance without having to think about it too much. I find it useful for a number of scenarios. Oh, and the e-level? Bring that back to! You would not like that! Those features were taken out to shave 0.5 mm off the camera depth. If the were to be reintroduced it would lead to camera bloat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Hi jaapv, Take a look here No aperture settings on EXIF, how do you keep track of Fstops. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
willeica Posted July 3, 2017 Share #22 Posted July 3, 2017 In the 1980s, when I shot a lot of slide film, I dutifully wrote f stops and shutter speeds into a cheap note book using a cheap biro pen. If I were to do the same today I suppose I would use the same 'gear'. I don't feel the need to do this with digital images and certainly don't miss the apertures on my M10. Unlike the 1980s I don't use a note book to make notes of apertures and shutter speeds on my early LTM cameras, some of which date from the 1920s. Maybe I have become more confident about exposure with age. Indeed, my next film shoot will be with a Vest Pocket Kodak from 1915 where the apertures are marked 1 'portrait'/ 'near view', 2 'average view', 3 'distant view' and 4 'clouds'/'marine'. Try getting that lot into your M10 firmware. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 3, 2017 Share #23 Posted July 3, 2017 ... a Vest Pocket Kodak from 1915 where the apertures are marked 1 'portrait'/ 'near view', 2 'average view', 3 'distant view' and 4 'clouds'/'marine'. Try getting that lot into your M10 firmware. William APERTURE markings ? from the description, I had supposed they are focus values... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted July 3, 2017 Share #24 Posted July 3, 2017 APERTURE markings ? from the description, I had supposed they are focus values... The camera focusses by changing the aperture, thus increasing the depth of field. By moving to each one of these all you change is the lens aperture. It possesses no other focus mechanism. A lot of older cameras are like that. I can send photos of how it works, but this is a Leica forum. I was just trying to show that at one stage apertures were a lot more loosely described than they are today, even using approximations in Lightroom. Don't get me started on washer stops and Waterhouse stops! William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
happymac Posted July 3, 2017 Share #25 Posted July 3, 2017 No question about it – bringing back the aperture EXIFs is a must! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhicks Posted July 3, 2017 Share #26 Posted July 3, 2017 It's been an interesting thread. Comments about purists, rhetorical questions regarding need, etc. I'll just add that I track all info just to continue to learn. I'm still not that good at photography so I will continue to keep my logbook like I always have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomek Posted July 12, 2017 Share #27 Posted July 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) During last tests I was using photography based note approach . For each photo done with M10 I also took by iPhone shot of M10 lens setting. Next I merged photos from M10 and iPhone in one directory and using GraphicConverter (EXIFtool is also working well) I put aperture value to M10 Exif. OK - but thanks to that I also discovered one more side effect - GPS value for free. From the other hand there was also an idea: if LEICA is so against installing even small electronic system in their new lenses maybe their own optical approach from 6-bit codes could be useful? Instead of iPhone I may imagine optical reader on camera body collecting aperture value while taking a photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 13, 2017 Share #28 Posted July 13, 2017 Just have to remember to reformat on a regular basis...If not, you'll begin to forget again. Hmm? I still remember the lens and setting I used to make most of the photos in my archives, dating back to 1969. I have a very very good memory. I've spent most of the past 60-some years practicing and enhancing my memory .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbraakman Posted July 13, 2017 Share #29 Posted July 13, 2017 I do mostly landscape photography, as well as urban street photography, and I would really appreciate having the f-stop data available. In this modern age, so to speak, I can't imagine having to cart a notebook with me to record the f-stop data. Sometimes I shoot over 250 shots in one day. The M9 has it in its exif data, so why can't the M10? Really ridiculous. This is my only complaint about the M10, other than not being to upgrade the firmware, which I still have to figure out. I formatted the SD card but still no success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ademora Posted July 13, 2017 Share #30 Posted July 13, 2017 Its a part of the Leica 'mystique' . Perhaps we need a thread on 'which notebook' to jot down relevant (or indeed, utterly irrelevant) information about settings, subject matter and so on. It could evolve in a similar fashion to the 'which bag' treads. Personally I favour Leuchtterm 1917 notebooks but this is only because I'm an awkward person who still actually uses a fountain pen at times . You can still write in them using modern pens but you know it really isn't the same as proper ink, and writing doesn't convey the same sense of moment with anything other than a fountain pen .And I thought it was just me using a Leuchtterm and I make my own fountain pens and use some really nice French inks Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 13, 2017 Share #31 Posted July 13, 2017 I do mostly landscape photography, as well as urban street photography, and I would really appreciate having the f-stop data available. In this modern age, so to speak, I can't imagine having to cart a notebook with me to record the f-stop data. Sometimes I shoot over 250 shots in one day. The M9 has it in its exif data, so why can't the M10? Really ridiculous. This is my only complaint about the M10, other than not being to upgrade the firmware, which I still have to figure out. I formatted the SD card but still no success. Well, you could use your iPhone to jot things down and be "modern"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 13, 2017 Share #32 Posted July 13, 2017 I may imagine optical reader on camera body collecting aperture value while taking a photo. Me too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 13, 2017 Share #33 Posted July 13, 2017 Well, you could use your iPhone to jot things down and be "modern"... I believe you are being facetious. No? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 13, 2017 Share #34 Posted July 13, 2017 Put the aperture ring on f/8 and leave it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 13, 2017 Share #35 Posted July 13, 2017 Put the aperture ring on f/8 and leave it there. My take is: if you cannot see the aperture you used, the data is irrelevant. I believe you are being facetious. No? Not at all; the iPhone generation must correspond to the camera generation, and if you have -P camera you need an -S iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2017 Share #36 Posted July 14, 2017 Not at all; the iPhone generation must correspond to the camera generation, and if you have -P camera you need an -S iPhone. No disrespect - that is unreasonable . All I want is a camera and not depend upon a smart phone for any photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 14, 2017 Share #37 Posted July 14, 2017 So one of your legs is longer now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 14, 2017 Share #38 Posted July 14, 2017 I have been using an old fashioned solution.... Just use a permanent marker. It works perfectly for one picture. Now I am trying to improve on it for multiple pictures. Give me some time. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/273996-no-aperture-settings-on-exif-how-do-you-keep-track-of-fstops/?do=findComment&comment=3315404'>More sharing options...
david strachan Posted July 14, 2017 Share #39 Posted July 14, 2017 I used to use my camera video to take short location notes. But i don't need to on my M-P...it already shows the f stop...although only correct about 80% of the time. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted July 15, 2017 Share #40 Posted July 15, 2017 My take is: if you cannot see the aperture you used, the data is irrelevant. Depends on who you are. If you is you, well perhaps, but suppose you is me in which case I wasn't there when whatever f-stop you decided to use was used, so you, in this case me, is therefore an innocent victim of your data irrelevance. I owe a lot of my lens collection to examining the work of others here and elsewhere. At least a portion of the analysis I do before making any decisions on what to own has something to do with the lens character at various f-stops. The data need not be exact, but some lenses, particularly the early ones I tend to be interested in are Jekyll and Hyde when wide or stopped down. So its nice to at least have a guess as to whether or not the image was a f1.4 or f2.8. Not that one cant often draw reasonable inferences on their own, but all too often the necessary visual clues can be lacking. And of course for those with less experience, speed and aperture data, even if only an estimate, can be quite educational. So I've found value in the data being present even if the photographer might not care one way or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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