Havamal Posted July 8, 2017 Share #81 Posted July 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have used M4 and M3 before my new M!0. I like the ergonomics of it. But it should have a knob for the standard light color situations. If you make quick changes between daylight, shadow and tungsten, you should not have to go into the menu unless you want to set the Kelvin scale right. I don´t miss the video because video is another branch with it´s own development. Havamal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 9, 2017 Share #82 Posted July 9, 2017 Why would you want to do that? Just shoot DNG and set your white balance in the computer - if needed. I have heard no complaints about AWB anyway. I don't think you'll find many digital shooters fiddling with white balance on the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted July 9, 2017 Share #83 Posted July 9, 2017 I think it would be an excellent time now for Leica to extend the range of traditional M lenses. I recently got a 135/4 and I am very excited about the results I am getting. I wished there was some nice longer lens for the M10. Not in the style of the huge tele lenses we get from Nikon and Canon, but something longer, but still small. A 200/4 with a similar optical design like the 135/3.4 should not be very large and heavy. Perhaps Leica could even make a collapsing design which folds to about 100mm length when storing the lens. That would be an very nice lens to expand the things we can do with the M10. Probably there are a few other lenses which should be added to the M line, if working with the range finder is no longer a necessary criterium. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2017 Share #84 Posted July 9, 2017 I would not bet on longer than 135mm M lenses as they would not work with optical rangefinders. AF lenses with IBIS would be more interesting IMHO. They would not be for M users though but the latters can use excellent 180mm or longer R lenses with an adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted July 9, 2017 Share #85 Posted July 9, 2017 I would not bet on longer than 135mm M lenses as they would not work with optical rangefinders. AF lenses with IBIS would be more interesting IMHO. They would not be for M users though but the latters can use excellent 180mm or longer R lenses with an adapter. Well, the point ist, with the M10 one is really no longer limited to the rangefinder - which also for me only works down to 35mm, and doesn't work at all beyond 28mm. So I would be really delighted to have a compact MF tele lens for my M. Not to mention, that Leica doesn't sell R lenses any more. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2017 Share #86 Posted July 9, 2017 Yes but an M is an M i.e a rangefinder so i would not hold my breath Peter but i may be wrong as often . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted July 9, 2017 Share #87 Posted July 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes but an M is an M i.e a rangefinder ... Yes, it is! And IMO Leica did right to reduce our M10 to "Das Wesentliche". Other requirements are covered by the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2017 Share #88 Posted July 9, 2017 [...] Leica did right to reduce our M10 to "Das Wesentliche".Other requirements are covered by the SL. ... or the Sonys for those who don't like bulky cameras. Thank you "Das Wesentliche"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted July 9, 2017 Share #89 Posted July 9, 2017 One possibility would be for Leica to revive the idea of a 2X M-coupled tele-converter. Leica prototyped this in the past (as far back as the 1970s) and was not happy with either the optical quality or the mechanical reliability/accuracy (you now have TWO interfaces that can get out of spec - lens-converter, and converter-RF). But with today's "better" prime optics (APO 75/90/135) and the tighter tolerances Leica is getting out of the new Wetzlar factory, it might just work today. Would give a 150mm f/4, 180mm f/4 or 270mm f/6.8. A single external accesory viewfinder 150-180-270, plus eyepiece/focus magnifier, for RF use (for M RF purists) - and of course the option to use LV/EVF. As lct says - don't count on Leica making M-mount lenses that cannot function (mount and focus) with a 1954 M3 rangefinder, and require electronic viewing. It is just not in the company mission plan. But an opportunity to retain that backwards compatability to some extent - AND come up up some new, outside-the-box, retro-tech gizmos that Leica can sell for an obscene profit : THAT might be attractive! You couldn't put 2X "goggles" on the converter - that messes up the RF geometry and requires a dedicated lens construction for RF focusing (as with the 90 Macro). But an external finder could take several forms, all more compact and svelter than the 16-18-21 "Frankenfinder." Leica did a 21-24-28 zoom finder for a brief while: https://luminous-landscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/vf2.jpg Or they could do individual-focal-length finders (this one for 135, for use on an M2 or the screw-mount cameras): http://static.webshopapp.com/shops/217745/files/120671903/262x276x1/leica-leica-leitz-135mm-viewfinder.jpg Or borrow any one of several dozen old retro adjustable finder designs (zoom, turret: Zeiss, Russian, etc.), including the TEWE (which already reached 150-180mm) made famous in Andreas Feininger's "The Photojournalist" picture for LIFE magazine: https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/RF-Nikkor/Leica_RF/Leica-Universal-Finder/3rd_party_finderC.jpg https://www.lempertz.com/uploads/tx_lempertzproject/Lempertz-978-144-Photography-Andreas-Feininger-THE-PHOTOJOURNALIST-DENN.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted July 9, 2017 Share #90 Posted July 9, 2017 ... or the Sonys for those who don't like bulky cameras. Thank you "Das Wesentliche"... Yes, I kept my A7II beside the new M10 for special purposes only (Tele >90mm and Macro) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2017 Share #91 Posted July 9, 2017 But why on earth are we forced to use two cameras? And why can't we have an M with a fast and silent EVF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted July 9, 2017 Share #92 Posted July 9, 2017 I am just wondering, why Leica is making lenses wider than 28mm for the M, if the ability to use the lens with the rangefinder is a mandatory criterium? I am not arguing to drop the range finder altogether, but I would like to have a very few lenses added to the M line, expanding what could be done so far based on its enhanced live view capabilities. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 9, 2017 Share #93 Posted July 9, 2017 But why on earth are we forced to use two cameras? And why can't we have an M with a fast and silent EVF? You're not forced to use two cameras. You choose to use two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2017 Share #94 Posted July 9, 2017 I am forced in that i have no other choice. Give me a modern M and i won't need anything else. Won't happen before long i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 9, 2017 Share #95 Posted July 9, 2017 I am forced in that i have no other choice. Give me a modern M and i won't need anything else. Won't happen before long i'm afraid. There are always choices. The SL gives you what you want. Embrace the SL. Become one with the SL. The rangefinder remains the King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 9, 2017 Share #96 Posted July 9, 2017 Thanks but i don't like bulky cameras sorry. Never mind, i know that i lost the Leica party as far as bodies are concerned but i'll keep my legacy Ms and my Leica lenses will remain my favorites anyway . Edit: Sorry to bother you with my rants folks i should not waste your time on the M10 forum this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozytripper Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share #97 Posted July 10, 2017 Thanks but i don't like bulky cameras sorry. Never mind, i know that i lost the Leica party as far as bodies are concerned but i'll keep my legacy Ms and my Leica lenses will remain my favorites anyway . Edit: Sorry to bother you with my rants folks i should not waste your time on the M10 forum this way. Hello lct, this is exactly what this thread is about. You are adding valuable points to this discussion - definitely not rant and wasting time. The M is now all grown up and can tackle roles that its predecessors could not. I cannot understand why any photographer would "prefer to be limited by his tool" and not have a "tool that serves their needs" Why did the previous generations accept the introduction of Goggles? And is still embraced by the current generation? Yet the introduction of a "new goggle" the evf that can work with longer lenses is frowned upon? And a wider range if lenses is frowned upon? We seem to like to hold onto historical advantages that are no longer true today. Reviewers and users still acclaim loudly that the M is -a small camera (seriously?) -silent and discreet (really? compared to near silent shutters of today's cameras?) -built like a tank (to last a lifetime when technology makes it obsolete in a few years? I like my lenses to be built like tanks though) -great ergonomics (it is slippery and have too many sharp edges) I like my M and will accept changes for the better. I don't want it transformed into a high tech camera with 1001 functions with a huge menu. All I want are what the M10 has now plus -IBIS -Built in evf and optical finder (Oooooooo - scary stuff here) or just come up with a better bolt on EVF - this current one at least is useable -and longer telephoto lenses, many a couple of zooms and a 2X teleconverter. Does the above really make a rangefinder not a rangefinder? As i mentioned before if one don't like evf , don't use it Don't like long lenses don't use it Das Wasentliche - I wonder what is the sales ration of the M262 vs M240 vs M10? Maybe an M11 -with bare basics (launch this first - remove more than what the 262 offers - essentially back to film camera basics nothing more) -with M10 functions with IBIS -with M10 functions with built in IBIS, built in EVF, Video see which sells more I'd like to modify lct's comment "why am I forced to use two cameras" to "why am I forced to use two different cameras or two different brands of cameras?" The functions are different, the style is different. Confuses me more I'd very much like to carry two M10s or M11s when it can cover my photographic genres than an M10 & SL, M10 & Sony A7, M10 & Fuji Xpro2 or any other combinations. Just doesn't make sense. I normally carry 2 cameras in case one breaks down However for those who prefer to carry only one camera then lct's comment is spot on "why an I forced to carry 2 cameras" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozytripper Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share #98 Posted July 10, 2017 I am just wondering, why Leica is making lenses wider than 28mm for the M, if the ability to use the lens with the rangefinder is a mandatory criterium? I am not arguing to drop the range finder altogether, but I would like to have a very few lenses added to the M line, expanding what could be done so far based on its enhanced live view capabilities. Peter Hi Peter, welcome to the "looking forward to M advancement" ideology. The points you made about longer lenses echos my sentiments and hence this thread. The answer to your question above is "Precedence" Leica made goggles in the past to use with certain lenses hence that concept "cannot be challenged" Perhaps if Leica were to be able to make traditional goggles that can use longer telephoto lenses instead of having to use the EVF (Evil View Finder) then the purist will accept that longer lenses are legitimate on Rangefinders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted July 10, 2017 Share #99 Posted July 10, 2017 Hi Peter, welcome to the "looking forward to M advancement" ideology. The points you made about longer lenses echos my sentiments and hence this thread. The answer to your question above is "Precedence" Leica made goggles in the past to use with certain lenses hence that concept "cannot be challenged" Perhaps if Leica were to be able to make traditional goggles that can use longer telephoto lenses instead of having to use the EVF (Evil View Finder) then the purist will accept that longer lenses are legitimate on Rangefinders Not to forget, that they made the optical Visoflex as a completely alternative viewfinder for the M. And the add-on EVF (I like your expansion of the acronym) is even called Visoflex Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2017 Share #100 Posted July 10, 2017 Well, they did build specific Visoflex lenses in the past, so why not now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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