Eric1 Posted May 23, 2017 Share #1 Posted May 23, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am considering getting an M240 instead of an M10 because I cannot find the latter. I was curious if anyone has both and what the real world differences are? Since there both 24mp's I imagine there image output is pretty similar. That's mostly what I'm interested in. I shoot raw mainly. Any first hand comparison would help. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted May 23, 2017 Share #2 Posted May 23, 2017 I gave you my reasons for changing.... https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268408-availability/?p=3278527 As noted, colors are better out-of-camera with the M10, but the M240 is still fine, and custom profiles can improve output in either case. If you shoot DNG and print, there is a multitude of other variables that will impact print quality as much or more than the initial file quality. The M240 has better battery life, at the expense of a marginally thicker body. And of course it has video, which the M10 does not. Best way to find out is to get hold of an M240....rent, demo or borrow....and test for yourself. BTW, have you tried calling small dealers all over for that elusive M10???? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodParticle/Hari Posted May 23, 2017 Share #3 Posted May 23, 2017 What Jeff said above + don't underestimate the 0.72x finder. Much easier to nail focus on challenging lenses. Remote sharing via the app is something I got used to due to the Q and SL, glad it's now available on the M10. ISO 10,000 is usable and I mostly shoot stopped down so this is fantastic for me. ISO dial is nice but it's very fast to switch on the m240 so I won't call this out as a key factor. Slimmer, lighter and more agile than the m240. I loved my m240 and only let it go after a month of shooting both cameras simultaneously. The m10 is worth the extra money. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted May 23, 2017 What Jeff said above + don't underestimate the 0.72x finder. Much easier to nail focus on challenging lenses. Remote sharing via the app is something I got used to due to the Q and SL, glad it's now available on the M10. ISO 10,000 is usable and I mostly shoot stopped down so this is fantastic for me. ISO dial is nice but it's very fast to switch on the m240 so I won't call this out as a key factor. Slimmer, lighter and more agile than the m240. I loved my m240 and only let it go after a month of shooting both cameras simultaneously. The m10 is worth the extra money. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah I keep forgetting about wifi option. I really like that in other cameras I have. Its so much easier to share photos quickly or upload on my phone to do mobile edits. I wish the m240 had that option as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_OOF Posted May 23, 2017 Share #5 Posted May 23, 2017 I made a quick and simple comparison between my M10 and a 240 of a friend. Although simple it was clear that noise at 3200 and 6400 iso is definitely better in the 10 and even more pleasing to the sight. The automatic balance with artificial lights at home worked much better with the 10 that made colors very similar to the reality (which was in front of our eyes). Do not take it as a structured test but as a small impression... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted May 23, 2017 Share #6 Posted May 23, 2017 I have the M240 and SL. I was looking for a killer reason for swapping the M240 for the M10, but couldn't find one. Yes, the colours are better, probably better than the SL, but I don't find the M240 colours bad (I didn't like the M9 colours). Yes, I would like another two stops of ISO range. Yes, the smaller size, the ISO dial and larger VF, and the better EVF are attractive, but these weren't enough for someone who occasionally has to justify their expenditure. What might have swung it is a silent/electronic shutter, for shooting in concert/theatre venues, or an EVF as responsive as that on the SL (in an M body it would never have the SL's resolution). Perhaps instant start up / wake up. I know not everyone wants these things, so all this proves is that only you can make the decision! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arai Posted May 23, 2017 Share #7 Posted May 23, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wouldn't say better focusing, it's the same with M240 but 0.73 VF makes you better framing as with us eyeglass wearer can see 28&35mm line clearer. The slimmer size definitely noticeable and I'd like to add that the WB ooc is awesome, the best I've known in digital camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 23, 2017 Share #8 Posted May 23, 2017 I have kept M240/262 after buying M10 for different reasons (back-up, better battery life, maybe video if one day I need it). - since M10, I can say that M10 is used much more than those 2 other. - thinner, less buttons, easy to change/see ISO, bigger finder with huge eye-relief make that pleasure to use M10 is more than the other 2 - result are the same with a bit of difference in colors in ISO to 3200, - AWB is cleaner for M10 - better Visoflex, a joy to use peaking That said, M240 family Leica are capable of first class result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 23, 2017 Share #9 Posted May 23, 2017 If you're in the US, you can rent both to compare. Doesn't really matter what others think. https://www.lensrentals.com/search?filters=%7B%22checked%22%3A%7B%22Brand%22%3A%7B%22type%22%3A%22string_values%22%2C%22selected%22%3A%5B%7B%22id%22%3A%22%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22Leica%22%5D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22Item+Type%22%3A%7B%22type%22%3A%22string_values%22%2C%22selected%22%3A%5B%7B%22id%22%3A%22%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22Camera%22%5D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22Mount%22%3A%7B%22type%22%3A%22string_values%22%2C%22selected%22%3A%5B%7B%22id%22%3A%22%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22Leica+M%22%5D%7D%5D%7D%2C%22Sensor+Size%22%3A%7B%22type%22%3A%22string_values%22%2C%22selected%22%3A%5B%7B%22id%22%3A%22%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22Full+Frame%22%5D%7D%5D%7D%7D%2C%22range_for_range%22%3A%7B%7D%2C%22range_for_value%22%3A%7B%7D%7D&reload_filters=true&q=&sort_by=popularity Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted May 24, 2017 I made a quick and simple comparison between my M10 and a 240 of a friend. Although simple it was clear that noise at 3200 and 6400 iso is definitely better in the 10 and even more pleasing to the sight. The automatic balance with artificial lights at home worked much better with the 10 that made colors very similar to the reality (which was in front of our eyes). Do not take it as a structured test but as a small impression... Interesting. I read reviews that the color depth of the m10 files weren't that great but from the images I've seen they look good. Every camera seems to have a different color look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_OOF Posted May 24, 2017 Share #11 Posted May 24, 2017 Eric1, with "color depth" do you mean a greater ability to make and differentiate color nuances ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted May 24, 2017 Share #12 Posted May 24, 2017 If you're in the US, you can rent both to compare. Jeff Renting the 2 cameras for a week would cost over $600. Not a good use of money if you ask me. You'd be better off spending some time with both models in a Leica store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted May 24, 2017 Eric1, with "color depth" do you mean a greater ability to make and differentiate color nuances ? A review I read said the M10 colors weren't as good as fuji, Sony, or Nikon and mentioned color depth. Im guessing it is referring to how much range you have to manipulate the colors in raw so you're able to get more pop. Just wondered how true that was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted May 24, 2017 Share #14 Posted May 24, 2017 Eric, you've got a Monochrom, don't you? The M10 approaches that in terms of low-light, high-iso performance. It's transformative, in other words. Image quality between the M240 and M10 is similar. But color in the latter is better and more consistent. The M10 requires less PP. And the accessory EVF is dramatically better. WiFi, the better viewfinder, the slimmer body, and the improved user interface are the bonuses. The M240 has a better battery, and video. If I were you I'd do what Jeff has urged... go on Leica's website, identify all the dealers within a few hours drive, or that you're otherwise willing to deal with, and call them either every day, or every other day. Regardless of what the fellow on the other side says ("it'll take months"), call every day. You'll probably be surprised at what happens within a week or so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 24, 2017 Share #15 Posted May 24, 2017 Renting the 2 cameras for a week would cost over $600. Not a good use of money if you ask me. You'd be better off spending some time with both models in a Leica store. One can rent 3 days for a couple hundred bucks per camera. I agree that for someone familiar with Ms, an afternoon in the store suffices. After 30+ years using an M, it took 10 minutes looking through the M10 VF for me to value the difference over the M240. But for someone less familiar, or for someone with very specific testing needs, spending 500 bucks for a trial might be worth it before investing a lot more in a system. They do rent these things, so at least some people have a different opinion. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 24, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 24, 2017 If I were you I'd do what Jeff has urged... go on Leica's website, identify all the dealers within a few hours drive, or that you're otherwise willing to deal with, and call them either every day, or every other day. Regardless of what the fellow on the other side says ("it'll take months"), call every day. You'll probably be surprised at what happens within a week or so... Indeed. And the dealer needn't be nearby... as long as they're Leica authorized. I was on a list for the M10, content to wait, but got a sense of urgency when the price jump was announced. Got to calling and found 2 cameras in a few days. Did the same for the M240 4 years ago...one of them ended up willing to trade it on the M10.... so the bonus is establishing new dealer relationships. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted May 24, 2017 Share #17 Posted May 24, 2017 A review I read said the M10 colors weren't as good as fuji, Sony, or Nikon and mentioned color depth. Im guessing it is referring to how much range you have to manipulate the colors in raw so you're able to get more pop. Just wondered how true that was. I don't own a Nikon camera but do own Sony and Fuji 24MP bodies. The M10 files are more robust than the Fuji files. Even the 240 is ahead of the XPro2. The M10 is close to the A72 but I really dislike the skin tones on Sony cameras so the Leica is better. I see little difference in file malleability. The A7R2 (43MP) is slightly better in DR (about a half stop) and with a lot more detail. This is for raw files. Fuji jpegs are the best of all of them. By a mile. No contest. Both Leicas have better detail and DR than all the Canon sensors except the 1Dx2 (about the same the Canon is half a stop better in noise) and the 5D4 (currently Canons best) for raw files. Bottom line is the M10 sensor is a competitive modern sensor. And the M240 is still a very good sensor. you don't choose between an M and other brands because of the sensor anymore. Gordon p.s. I've already put down my thoughts in other threads but boiled down my personal opinion is that the M10 is a bigger upgrade than I though it was going to be *IF* you want to use the tricky lenses (Noctilux, 90AA, 75 Summilux or 135 APO). For the *normal* range (28-90mm lenses and no Noctilux) it's a decent but not essential upgrade, with improvements to the speed of operation and the smaller size. I'm keeping my M-P as a companion to my M10 and will not have any regrets shooting it. The M10 will be there for the difficult lenses though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 25, 2017 Share #18 Posted May 25, 2017 A review I read said the M10 colors weren't as good as fuji, Sony, or Nikon and mentioned color depth. Im guessing it is referring to how much range you have to manipulate the colors in raw so you're able to get more pop. Just wondered how true that was. Such a review reveals that the author doesn't know how to post-process. It is possible to get excellent ("popping" if that is your thing) colour out of any modern (as in the last ten years or so) camera. It may just take a bit of time and effort by the user to tweak the colour workflow to taste. BTW, the "range" of colours you have depends on the colour space you choose at raw developing. Making colours "pop" means reducing the nuances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanusj Posted May 25, 2017 Share #19 Posted May 25, 2017 M10 vs M240: M10 wins: 1) AWB (especially indoors) 2) better contrast 3) ISO 4) the body similar to M7 M240: 1) Battery Life 2) Cheaper (especially if you buy second hand after M10 launched) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanusj Posted May 25, 2017 Share #20 Posted May 25, 2017 A review I read said the M10 colors weren't as good as fuji, Sony, or Nikon and mentioned color depth. Im guessing it is referring to how much range you have to manipulate the colors in raw so you're able to get more pop. Just wondered how true that was. i guess the reviewers should have his eyes check immediately... LOL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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