jaapv Posted May 20, 2017 Share #341 Posted May 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) What is wrong with an M9 with the new sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 20, 2017 Posted May 20, 2017 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Leica Ends Free Sensor Replacement for M9/Monochrom Bodies. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Robert M Poole Posted May 20, 2017 Share #342 Posted May 20, 2017 After returning a new Q for sensor dust, I was about to pull the trigger on a used M9-P until I came across this thread in researching it. I guess I'm back to getting the 5D Mark IV; or, maybe it's simply time to give digital the middle finger and get an M7. Sigh.I agree with Jaap. M9 with the new sensor is a great buy. Or, m9 with corrosion is a better buy www.robertpoolephotography.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 20, 2017 Share #343 Posted May 20, 2017 A fast alternative is to FedEx it yourself to Leica. Cost me about AU$60 to send camera and lens to Germany from Australia. It arrived in customer service four days later. They phoned me to confirm receipt of the gear. Repair was done and returned to me in another two weeks as I recall.The alternative was a three month turn around through the 'usual channels'. Well worth the cost IMO. Cost about the same from NZ. For some reason, my camera is stuck in German customs ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 20, 2017 Share #344 Posted May 20, 2017 Cost about the same from NZ. For some reason, my camera is stuck in German customs ... Bummer. Which reminds me, can Leica New Jersey do sensor replacements? And if not, then why not? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 20, 2017 Share #345 Posted May 20, 2017 Apparently so. Down here at the bottom of the World, I've always had better service dealing directly with Leica in Germany. The local importer, Lacklands, is very good, but the market here is small. Still waiting for the 28 Summaron ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 20, 2017 Share #346 Posted May 20, 2017 John, I can imagine your pain. I think. What this forum needs is a sympathy button. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted May 20, 2017 Share #347 Posted May 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Give Leica customer service a call. Normally they handle the shipping by sending you an UPS label with all paperwork done by Leica. As I said, I live in an non-EU country. We have different rules. In theory I should declare the camera for export at the nearest custom station 100km away. It is open mon-fri 09-12. That means a whole workday for me. Last time I send a lens for warranty repair to Germany I did not bother with this custom declaration,and when it returned I had to pay the full 25% VAT of list price. I had the original bill, but since I did not follow the rules I had to pay the VAT. That was UPS by the way. I am not using them again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 20, 2017 Share #348 Posted May 20, 2017 That is just the point. The whole shipping process is handled by Leica, you won't have to do a thing. They handle the VAT rules and are responsible for the shipping. I would guess that they are aware of the differences between EU and non-EU countries, after all they ship tens of thousands of parcels all over the globe. BTW, why should you hold the courier responsible if you make the mistake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted May 20, 2017 Share #349 Posted May 20, 2017 Why? Because the custom service here in Norway said I should not pay the additional VAT, but UPS would not listen. It did not matter how many papers or emails I send them. Or telephone calls. I will never use UPS again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 21, 2017 Share #350 Posted May 21, 2017 In that case you'll just have to drop the camera off at your dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 21, 2017 Share #351 Posted May 21, 2017 John, I can imagine your pain. I think. What this forum needs is a sympathy button. And an irony one? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted May 21, 2017 Share #352 Posted May 21, 2017 Why? Because the custom service here in Norway said I should not pay the additional VAT, but UPS would not listen. It did not matter how many papers or emails I send them. Or telephone calls. I will never use UPS again. UPS did the exact same thing to me in the US. I had to pay customs duties to get my own lens back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted May 21, 2017 Share #353 Posted May 21, 2017 I agree with Jaap. M9 with the new sensor is a great buy. Or, m9 with corrosion is a better buy www.robertpoolephotography.com I'm concerned about getting one that hasn't had the sensor replaced but is also not yet showing corrosion, thereby missing the August timeframe. I'll call the retailer and see if they know if the sensor was replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted May 21, 2017 Share #354 Posted May 21, 2017 What is wrong with an M9 with the new sensor? Nothing at all! Do you know if Leica Service can/will confirm the sensor replacement status of a specific camera if I call and provide them the serial number? If I can confirm it was replaced, then I'm on board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 21, 2017 Share #355 Posted May 21, 2017 Yes, they do keep records. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 21, 2017 Share #356 Posted May 21, 2017 I'm concerned about getting one that hasn't had the sensor replaced but is also not yet showing corrosion, thereby missing the August timeframe. I'll call the retailer and see if they know if the sensor was replaced. If the sensor hasn't corroded in more than five years, how likely is it to do so now? If the risk is factored into the price it would still make a good buy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 21, 2017 Share #357 Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) If the sensor hasn't corroded in more than five years, how likely is it to do so now? I think that's not necessarily a valid argument Jaap. My Monochrom was purchased in December 2012 and 'subclinical' corrosion was detected by Camera Clinic in December 2016. It may well not have become apparent until well into the following year if not longer, i.e. approaching or exceeding 5 years. Mark Edited May 21, 2017 by MarkP 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 21, 2017 Share #358 Posted May 21, 2017 It is not really an argument, more like a risk assessment. As I said, if the price reflects the risk to a reasonable percentage, I would probably think it acceptable. It is not as if the sensor cannot be repaired, it is just that it may cost you money. YMMV. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 21, 2017 Share #359 Posted May 21, 2017 OK, but you know what I mean. If it was me, I would now only buy an M9 or Monochrom v1 if it had been confirmed to have the original sensor replaced with the new component, or one where the camera's price was reduced by the replacement price of a new sensor. Hence why M9 owners with original sensors are concerned about future depreciation should they wish to sell, or about future sensor replacement. Mark 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 21, 2017 Share #360 Posted May 21, 2017 OK, but you know what I mean. If it was me, I would now only buy an M9 or Monochrom v1 if it had been confirmed to have the original sensor replaced with the new component, or one where the camera's price was reduced by the replacement price of a new sensor. Hence why M9 owners with original sensors are concerned about future depreciation should they wish to sell, or about future sensor replacement. Mark I've noticed a few UK dealers stocking M8s at surprisingly high prices recently. In spite of all their known issues they still seem to command much higher prices than might be expected. In terms of depreciation they do so surprisingly slowly. My guess is that the M9 will also depreciate to a point at which it stabilises - whether the difference in used value of 'replaced' sensor cameras' will exceed that of 'original sensor cameras' by the cost of replacement sensor from Leica remains to be seen, but I would suspect that it will not. My guess is that a camera with the original sensor which has not already developed problems will be seen as a fair risk and valued accordingly. Would I buy one - yes if I needed a cheaper full-frame dRF body I would be very prepared to. The M9 depreciates slowly in comparison to its contemporaries, I very much doubt whether the sensor issue will significantly change this. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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