FlashGordonPhotography Posted April 13, 2017 Share #21 Posted April 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) One release day the store rang me and offered me a camera. I said no. What a duffer!! Then I played with one. The M10 doesn't have a single earth shattering new thing. It's about a set of incremental changes that make, for me a significant overall improvement in enjoyment shooting it. Mostly it's that all the lenses that I had some focusing difficulty with on the 240 are easy to use on the M10. My Noctilux, 135APO and 90 AA are all so much easier to nail focus with. The RF doesn't look that much different but it is. The EVF is great. Movable focus points and inbuilt GPS. Done. The camera is more responsive. No more lag when hitting a button or zooming playback. There's other stuff but these are what made me push the buy button. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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garygraphy Posted April 14, 2017 Share #22 Posted April 14, 2017 why not use the RF Is the recovery from a image capture significantly faster than the M240? When I press the shutter of the M240, it takes, at least, 2 seconds before it recovers back to state where I can take another picture from the EVF. What's the recovery time for the M10? Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygraphy Posted April 14, 2017 Share #23 Posted April 14, 2017 I thought its an easy one. M240 colors have never been good and I sucked it up on the M9 till the M10 came along. If you think M240 colors are fine, then there is no reason to change. I always thought video function was more than just the ability to record video but to have zebra, means to connect mics, etc. Why do you want to have a half-f*** tool for video? Even if it had a record button doesn't mean you should press it. What so good about M10 that it can motivate me to buy it? Without video capability.Let me hear from users with experience with both M (240) and M10. How do they compare? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 14, 2017 Share #24 Posted April 14, 2017 If it had had (better ) video I would have upgraded my M240. Now I have switched to the Panasonic Professional system and there is no looking back. Impressively good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted April 14, 2017 Share #25 Posted April 14, 2017 Is the recovery from a image capture significantly faster than the M240? When I press the shutter of the M240, it takes, at least, 2 seconds before it recovers back to state where I can take another picture from the EVF. What's the recovery time for the M10? Anyone? Someone has stated the blackout of M10 + Visoflex 020 at 0.75s . I do appreciate the much shorter blackout (even not zero but almost "not SLR's_ist" and quiet, no vibration) of M10 + 020 : that's the good surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lss- Posted April 14, 2017 Share #26 Posted April 14, 2017 If you care about video then no it would be a crap choice, simple as that. Bit of a simplification that does not really fly for most people who care about video. I care very much about video. I hope to have 4k video capability with good quality on a camera body that I would want to use anyway. It's very simple that it is not being delivered here, but that does not make the camera a crap choice for the very same guy for still photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2017 Share #27 Posted April 14, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it had had (better ) video I would have upgraded my M240. Now I have switched to the Panasonic Professional system and there is no looking back. Impressively good. Jaap - Do you mean that you've switched to the Panasonic Professional Video system and now will upgrade your M240 to the M10? _______________ Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted April 14, 2017 Share #28 Posted April 14, 2017 If it had had (better ) video I would have upgraded my M240. Now I have switched to the Panasonic Professional system and there is no looking back. Impressively good. O.k., that's not a big surprise A RF camera will never be a video system ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 15, 2017 Share #29 Posted April 15, 2017 Even if that were the case, it is not the point. The M is historically a travel and reportage camera. In this day and age such a camera does need the capability to do video clips. Leica has chosen to shift the emphasis to street , family and fine art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelythisnameisfree Posted April 15, 2017 Share #30 Posted April 15, 2017 Even if that were the case, it is not the point. The M is historically a travel and reportage camera. In this day and age such a camera does need the capability to do video clips. Leica has chosen to shift the emphasis to street , family and fine art. I don't think that's necessarily true. Video clips are not important to everyone/for travel reportage. I find it much more preferable for still photos to evoke travel memories than a video clip to lead you along. As for reportage, I don't like video intruding on browsing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #31 Posted April 15, 2017 Here we go again. It seems that almost every topic in the M10 subforum that focuses on the strong points of the M10 is being hijacked by the same people over and over again to start complaining about the absence of video. Even highly informative posts made by very well experienced members expressing their thoughts after owning and using the M10 a few months are brought down to the same old rant of the absence of video. It is saddening… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #32 Posted April 15, 2017 ..The M is historically a travel and reportage camera. In this day and age such a camera does need the capability to do video clips... You can do all this stuff with a Leica SL or even any Sony FF body. Beside this our thread here is about : What's so good about M10? And not: What is a single person missing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2017 Share #33 Posted April 15, 2017 Bit of a simplification that does not really fly for most people who care about video. I care very much about video. I hope to have 4k video capability with good quality on a camera body that I would want to use anyway. It's very simple that it is not being delivered here, but that does not make the camera a crap choice for the very same guy for still photography. Indeed a bot of a simplification but that's what I wanted in my camera. The M10 delivers that. I can see for someone like you who loves video, that is a problem. The SL is a wonderful camera for both stills and video, the drawback for me was the weight and bulk. In fact I never tried video on the SL! I have watched other videos taken with the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted April 15, 2017 Share #34 Posted April 15, 2017 Here we go again. It seems that almost every topic in the M10 subforum that focuses on the strong points of the M10 is being hijacked by the same people over and over again to start complaining about the absence of video. Even highly informative posts made by very well experienced members expressing their thoughts after owning and using the M10 a few months are brought down to the same old rant of the absence of video. It is saddening… This thread wasn't hijacked. I think it was started with this specific purpose in mind. The O.P. started a previous thread stating he would not buy an M10 in large part because of the lack of video. That thread ran for dozens of pages, with all relevant arguments from both sides being thoroughly discussed. When that thread ran its course, O.P. starts this thread, ostensibly asking about the M10's good points, but in his first comment brings up the lack of video as an issue. Seems to me this thread was started specifically to give new life to the arguments about lack of video. Otherwise, why mention it at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #35 Posted April 15, 2017 This thread wasn't hijacked. I think it was started with this specific purpose in mind. The O.P. started a previous thread stating he would not buy an M10 in large part because of the lack of video. That thread ran for dozens of pages, with all relevant arguments from both sides being thoroughly discussed. When that thread ran its course, O.P. starts this thread, ostensibly asking about the M10's good points, but in his first comment brings up the lack of video as an issue. Seems to me this thread was started specifically to give new life to the arguments about lack of video. Otherwise, why mention it at all? Dirk, I know this was indeed the goal of the O.P. And you are correct that this topic was not hijacked stricto senso because it was the intention from the beginning to start this already beaten to death discussion over again. But I feel it still saddening that people on this forum with honest intentions wanted to contribute valuable information about their experience with the M10 and the same few people we all know did not hesitate to start their rant again. Congratulation to the O.P. for achieving this goal. But not feeling his joy :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #36 Posted April 15, 2017 Video doesn't figure in my wishlist of things to have on the M10. That said, I can understand those who do want it, and I'm happy to ignore it on the M240. I hope this forum is not going to become one where one can only mention good things about the M10 (or any other camera). Or one where a mention of an issue becomes described as a "rant" simply because it is unwelcome; what are we supposed to call a real rant? If you don't like someone's posts there is a very simple tool on the forum so you don't see them (a bit like disabling the video button ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #37 Posted April 15, 2017 I hope this forum is not going to become one where one can only mention good things about the M10 (or any other camera). Or one where a mention of an issue becomes described as a "rant" simply because it is unwelcome; what are we supposed to call a real rant? 445 posts in the video topic is what I call enough. However this specific topic here is about "what is so good about the M10" so I would expect people to express what the positive aspects are of the M10 and have a discussion about them. A discussion that very well might address issues. But I find it not correct that arguments of people who wanted to contribute to this topic are confronted again with the same beaten to dead topic. Although it seems that this topic was only started with the sole intention of reviving the 445 video post topic. And just to be clear, I expressed my issues with Leica in the past extensively on this forum, call it my rants about Leica products and services... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #38 Posted April 15, 2017 …..The Panasonic' video capabilities are indeed "impressively good". Just wrapped a shoot where my GH4 as "C" camera saved the day. Will upgrade to the GH5 later this summer after the promised firmware upgrades are in and tested. And what about the RF Qualities of the GH4/5? Better than Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #39 Posted April 15, 2017 445 posts in the video topic is what I call enough. However this specific topic here is about "what is so good about the M10" so I would expect people to express what the positive aspects are of the M10 and have a discussion about them. A discussion that very well might address issues. But I find it not correct that arguments of people who wanted to contribute to this topic are confronted again with the same beaten to dead topic. Although it seems that this topic was only started with the sole intention of reviving the 445 video post topic. And just to be clear, I expressed my issues with Leica in the past extensively on this forum, call it my rants about Leica products and services... :-) The length of a thread represents the strength of feeling involved. If you feel the argument has been done to death, or individuals are restarting it just for the hell of it, just ignore it and them. This forum is not real life - you can walk away from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted April 15, 2017 Share #40 Posted April 15, 2017 What is good about the M10 ? For me simplicity in the camera itself, in the menus, in the way to use it. In fact I use it exactly as I do with my M7 or Nikon FM2, manually set iso according to the ambient light, set aperture priority or manual according to the situation, focus...done. Plus comparing to the M7 or other film camera no need to scan, possibility to chimp if necessary ( I rarely chimp, only in problematic light situation). Of course we are all different and we all have different habits, desires, needs. One camera cannot satisfy everybody! Nice to have options... robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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