wildlightphoto Posted March 2, 2017 Share #41 Posted March 2, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Isn't lighter the whole reason for the Mirrorless revolution ?" With today's technology it should be. As years move on there is no reason that cameras should get heaver. You eliminate the mirror and the prism and move the lens closer to the sensor ....with today's electronics doesn't all that mean smaller? So what is the reason for the Mirrorless revolution? What is the benefit to to making a camera heaver than it has to be? See post #22 in this thread. The SL isn't heavier than it has to be. Compared with the Sony a7 series it's more robust, weather sealed, has a larger battery and has dual card slots, all of which adds bulk and weight. Compared with the top-of-the-line CaNikon cameras it's dainty. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlexP Posted March 3, 2017 Share #42 Posted March 3, 2017 lol..i bought each one of them when they first released and actually put a "GOOD USE" on everyone single one of them. Each of them has a good memory. To some, it would fit the definition of "collection/collector" but to me, it showed me the history of how technology change. How much sweet/tear i put in to run my business. Another reason is when i see someone blindly compare body between camera brand just because they're a fan of that brand, i would be able to say "nah, that not true" because i know a thing or 2 on camera bodies. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted March 3, 2017 Share #43 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) "Isn't lighter the whole reason for the Mirrorless revolution ?" Have you seen the recent Sony G Master lens? or Olympus Pro line? they're even bigger and heavier than DSLR now. I think at this time, mirror-less come back in a full circle now. In order for your optic to be perfect/great, they can't shrink the size. When mirror-less first comes out, we're talking about Nex 3, Nex 5, Nex 5n, Nex 7 etc, it was small and it was bad. As time goes, technology improves. Sony was able to retain a small footprint body design but as for optic, you can't have quality optic with small lens. It's just the physic of it. For example, here are the 3 lenses together. Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 mkii , Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 G Master, Leica 24-90mm SL or are you saying the A7rii with 85mm f/1.4 G master is ok? small vs SL system? think again So would you rather have a small body but so bad small lens? or small body, great optic but big lens or Great big lens with not so big body design (SL system). We have to make our choice at some point. You can't really compare and complain about the size of SL. Edited March 3, 2017 by AlexP 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 3, 2017 Share #44 Posted March 3, 2017 Yes, indeed. I will try that with my Finance Director next time. By that standard, calculated as £/shot, my digital Ms and SL have been the cheapest cameras I've ever bought. I had to screenshot that quote and response. I think I'm going to print and frame it for my bedside table! I love it! Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted March 3, 2017 Share #45 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) For example, here are the 3 lenses together. Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 mkii , Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 G Master, Leica 24-90mm SL So would you rather have a small body but so bad small lens? or small body, great optic but big lens or Great big lens with not so big body design (SL system). We have to make our choice at some point. You can't really compare and complain about the size of SL. In fact the smaller size of the Canon lens on this picture is also because of the lack of mirror box on the two other systems. The depth of the cameras plus lenses are more or less the same for the three systems. I have always thought Sony's Alpha 7's bodies should be bigger. The SL body was the right size from the very beginning. But I wouldn't mind if the SL lenses were a bit smaller. [emoji6] Edited March 3, 2017 by Leicaiste 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted March 3, 2017 Share #46 Posted March 3, 2017 I look at it different. They're all tool. If you don't make money from your "tool" then you shouldn't even buy it in the first place. I mean if you can't break even your camera within the first 6 months to a year then we have a problem. BUT if you're just a hobbyist then why worry about when it will become obsolete? think of all the memory you can create in 5 years. I still keep ALL of my Canon and Nikon DSLR date back 10+ yrs ago. Great collection. You're nearly as bad as I am. Any particular favourites in there ar are they all just tools? Gordon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted March 3, 2017 Share #47 Posted March 3, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The SL body was the right size from the very beginning. But I wouldn't mind if the SL lenses were a bit smaller. +1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted March 3, 2017 Share #48 Posted March 3, 2017 I have both the SL and A7R2. I like both and am keeping both. My usage is 90% Leica and 10% Sony and most of the time the Sony is a backup to the SL. Occasionally the extra resolution of the Sony is useful. I find the usability of the SL far superior, the EVF is better. I wish the SL had a tilty screen as that is very useful when the camera is on a tripod. The IBIS of the Sony is wonderful and I do wish primes were stabilised on the SL. If there were a higher resolution version of the SL available I would purchase one immediately but I'd still keep my "low" res version as well. Gordon 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2017 Share #49 Posted March 3, 2017 Great collection. You're nearly as bad as I am. Any particular favourites in there ar are they all just tools? Gordon Good God you could start a shop with that lot! I see at least 24 'machines'........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted March 4, 2017 Share #50 Posted March 4, 2017 Any particular favourites in there ar are they all just tools? Gordon canon 1ds mark iii is my favorite. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstop Posted March 5, 2017 Share #51 Posted March 5, 2017 I can echo Gordon on this topic, since I too have both the SL and A7RII. My usage is about 50/50. The 24-70GM lens on the Sony looks a little ridiculous (big lens, smallish body), but the results are terrific. As are those from the SL and 24-90. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted March 11, 2017 Share #52 Posted March 11, 2017 I've opted for the SONY A7RII for a few basic reasons, one being price, also size. It's not a camera I'm crazy about, I hate the menu, but being able to use my M lenses with AF using the TECHART adapter is a major advantage; it is a beautiful thing. I got rid of the Canon DSLR because of it's size. The Leica SL is an obvious winner (except for size in my book) but for the moment I am holding steady with my Leica Monochrom, and the SONY A7RII. Perhaps that will change in the future; it's encouraging to read about all the enthusiasm SL users are experiencing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted March 12, 2017 Share #53 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) I have a Sony A7S and an SL; I use both but particularly enjoy using the A7S when travelling and when taking photos in low light. The A7S is a featherweight camera and so easy to use if I have to hold it above my head e.g. when framing a crowd scene with a wide angle lens using the semi-articulated screen. I use the SL for 'local' photo projects and events - particularly when planning to use the images as Leica Society submissions. The A7S' high ISO capability is a big plus as is its dynamic range at medium ISO. I did own an A7R before buying a s/h SL but a colleague using an A7 obtained sharper images than I obtained with the A7R … so I sold the A7R and bought a s/h A7S which is used only for stills - even though the A7S is primarily a video camera. I like the A7S' 'grab and go' capability i.e. it fits in a large pocket. I like the fact that both cameras can be used with so many legacy lenses. I would not and do not use M wides with the A7S but I do use R wides … the 19mm R Mk II with the A7S is a wonderful combination. Horses for courses … both cameras have their advantages and disadvantages … and I have specific projects planned for each. dunk Edited March 12, 2017 by dkCambridgeshire 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 12, 2017 Share #54 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) I've opted for the SONY A7RII for a few basic reasons, one being price, also size. It's not a camera I'm crazy about, I hate the menu, but being able to use my M lenses with AF using the TECHART adapter is a major advantage; it is a beautiful thing. I got rid of the Canon DSLR because of it's size. The Leica SL is an obvious winner (except for size in my book) but for the moment I am holding steady with my Leica Monochrom, and the SONY A7RII. Perhaps that will change in the future; it's encouraging to read about all the enthusiasm SL users are experiencing. At first sight the Techart adapter looked very promising. But I do not like the noise. It is not very loud, but for me it is a killer. And I do not like the often missing precision. (It is like using a DSLR from 10 years ago.) Also, when trying my usual macro images, I found that AF usually only works in the center, AF on an object at the edge (even slightly out of center) of the image is hopeless. It is exactly what I had before with DSLRs - an easy to use AF, but I could never be sure that the result was on spot. So I had to take several safety shots and often even some manual readjusting (with a soso EVF). That's exactly what I do not like about this sort of AF. This is what I wanted to leave behind when I switched to the SL. Maybe it is better in a few years .... then I will give it a try again. Edited March 12, 2017 by caissa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted March 14, 2017 Share #55 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) At first sight the Techart adapter looked very promising. But I do not like the noise. It is not very loud, but for me it is a killer. And I do not like the often missing precision. (It is like using a DSLR from 10 years ago.) Also, when trying my usual macro images, I found that AF usually only works in the center, AF on an object at the edge (even slightly out of center) of the image is hopeless. It is exactly what I had before with DSLRs - an easy to use AF, but I could never be sure that the result was on spot. So I had to take several safety shots and often even some manual readjusting (with a soso EVF). That's exactly what I do not like about this sort of AF. This is what I wanted to leave behind when I switched to the SL. Maybe it is better in a few years .... then I will give it a try again. I hear you, it's not perfect. I need to download version 5 of the firmware that came out recently, hopefully it's an improvement. On the other hand, I've already captured images, especially street images that I would have missed by the time I focused the lens. I've lost too many shots that way, simply because my manual focusing skills are not reliable. Often I think something is in focus only to be disappointed later when I see the image on the computer screen. Using the AF TechArt adaptor has made a significant difference and I trust the technology will only get better. I only wish I had the Monochrom (CCD) sensor in my Sony, too bad that option doesn't exist, that would be sweet! Edited March 14, 2017 by wilfredo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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