M 11 will be around in less than 4 years. The speculations and facts.

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I think the M11 will have an "aesthetic filter" built into the sensor.

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[ynp]

27 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

I think the M11 will have an "aesthetic filter" built into the sensor.

Yes. And AI computational filters...😆

[Paulus]

11-11-is a nice date to arrive...2021 

 

[AndreasG]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb Steven:

Also, 11.11 is really not a festive date in Germany.

Don't tell the people in Cologne and around!

[adan]

Yes - but the Köln Carnival is also cancelled for 2021. Like the M11, it has been postponed until early 2022.

https://allexciting.com/cologne-carnival/

Edited October 14, 2021 by adan

[Guest Nowhereman]

On 10/14/2021 at 12:14 PM, Steven said:

Won’t be until 2022. 

Also, 11.11 is really not a festive date in Germany. 

Exactly. Funny how the bleeding obvious thing about 11.11 hasn't occurred to anybody. When I first heard about that date for the M11 introduction it did strike me as odd, but then I forgot about it.
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Interesting news from Steven, I guess though that is really only confirming most of what he "leaked" to this forum a couple of months back, (?). I have to say that of all things I do find the "variable sensor sizing" interesting, hopefully it's not another step away from simplicity that will end up producing new quirks and arse biting problems down the road. Another reason perhaps not to jump in right away on the "newest and shiniest" toy unless the financial hit of a mistake isn't a concern.......But I must say that I do like that idea.

However doing a printing session this morning with a couple of well cropped M10-D files converted to B&W in LR to full A2 size prints as well as a couple of TX film shots from my Nikon  F3 I wonder again whether any upgrade for me from the 24mp sensor size of the M10/M10-D is necessary, the prints say not........which is some relief to my wallet.

[pedaes]

On 11/10/2020 at 5:48 PM, Paulus said:

Maybe this is why Erwin Puts" has left the building".!

 

He is missed at times like these.

Edited October 16, 2021 by pedaes

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42 minutes ago, Steven said:

There’s more than what I said a few weeks ago but I’ve been asked my some forum members not to spoil the announcement 📣 

That's more than ok by me Steven...........

How many did you pre-order?

Edited October 16, 2021 by petermullett

[FDS]

Quoting Steven:  'Also, 11.11 is really not a festive date in Germany. '

Neither is the 9th or 10th of November.

 

Citing Pedaes:  Missing Erwin Puts.

Yes, I do miss Erwin and his views.  Whether I agreed with him or not.  Whether or not his arguments were well-expressed, I enjoyed his challenges.  

 

Quoting Steven, again:  'There’s more than what I said a few weeks ago....'

But please do keep teasing us.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by FDS

[pippy]

3 hours ago, petermullett said:

...doing a printing session this morning with a couple of well cropped M10-D files converted to B&W in LR to full A2 size prints...I wonder again whether any upgrade for me from the 24mp sensor size of the M10/M10-D is necessary, the prints say not........which is some relief to my wallet.

Interesting to read that, Peter.

A few weeks ago I was doing something similar in that I was printing a 3x2 ratio 'landscape' crop taken across a 'portrait' original file snapped on my M-D Typ-262 (which shares the same 24Mp sensor-size as your M10-D) - effectively using a 24mm x 16mm part of the image or, roughly, 45% (just 10.8Mp) of the original file - which was printed-out A3 size and even right up close and personal the quality of the print both in terms of sharpness and resolution/pixellation is fantastic. When viewed from the 'correct viewing distance'? Absolutely no worries whatsoever.

I'm sure a 40Mp sensor will be warmly received by many photographers but it would be complete overkill for my own needs.

Philip.

Edited October 16, 2021 by pippy

[Herr Barnack]

On 7/26/2020 at 6:23 AM, Dr No said:

My guess is 28-30MP with 2 stop DR/ISO gains.

With both the M10R and M10 Mono having 40 mp sensors, I would expect somewhere between 40 and 50 mp in the M11. 

I would not think that a new flagship camera with less megapixels than previous M cameras would be a good move. 

[FDS]

6 minutes ago, Steven said:

I don't mind telling, but some people asked that I abstain and I respect that. I woke up this morning with dozens of PM. I started answering a few, some of them with photos, and then it got too complicated 😂

😉 Yes but I hope that you can find new wry ways just to subtly tease us without giving anything away!  But I do realise that 'abstention' might be considered by some to be an all or nothing behaviour.  

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26 minutes ago, Steven said:

HA! One only. I've been quite obsessed with film lately. 

Good to know Steven...................about your film obsession that is. One camera, many choices of "sensor". Good luck with it all.

[Herr Barnack]

27 minutes ago, Steven said:

No. It's 60!!! why don't you believe me ? 

I do believe you - I just forgot that you said 60 many posts ago.

60 mp will be great, as I like to make large exhibit prints - 60 mp is getting into medium format territory.

Files that big will require different approaches to archiving, as the image along with the data that goes along with it will push file size to 100mp or more.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[Herr Barnack]

The anticipation of the birth of the M11 on 11-11-21 makes me wonder how long of a wait we will have to endure before the M11 becomes readily available - particularly over here in the U.S.... 😨

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1 hour ago, pippy said:

Interesting to read that, Peter.

A few weeks ago I was doing something similar in that I was printing a 3x2 ratio 'landscape' crop taken across a 'portrait' original file snapped on my M-D Typ-262 (which shares the same 24Mp sensor-size as your M10-D) - effectively using a 24mm x 16mm part of the image or, roughly, 45% (just 10.8Mp) of the original file - which was printed-out A3 size and even right up close and personal the quality of the print both in terms of sharpness and resolution/pixellation is fantastic. When viewed from the 'correct viewing distance'? Absolutely no worries whatsoever.

I'm sure a 40Mp sensor will be warmly received by many photographers but it would be complete overkill for my own needs.

Philip.

Seriously Pippy, I am really very content with the 24mp output of the M10P/M10-D, ( I do also own a M10-M and a MM1, though the MM1 is away in SA on semi-permanent loan to a friend ). Discounting the M10M that one would expect great resolution and malleability with it's larger files, what the 24mp cameras give me is way good enough for my needs from A3+, to A2 and even 30"x40" on occasion when I've sent files out to a friend to print the larger size......I always crop the images I take, I've never considered the frame-lines in a M camera to be anything more than a rough guide to what I am pointing at and I don't use LV or the EVF, ( it's a M, what's the point? ). So every image I print is cropped in post to it's final format, sometimes quite drastically. Many's the indifferent shot that I have made much more interesting and "saved" by cropping, I consider cropping to be the first art of post production whether in the darkroom or digitally.

Today I've been continuing to dig into learning how to handle the Piezography print process, ( Piezography Pro, if you don't know it and print B&W it's truly worth a look ). I finished up with six prints, all to A2 size from the M10-D's 24mp sensor, converted in LR to B&W and all quite heavily cropped.......The images look like they were shot on Medium Format, at the very least. Would I get a M10-R? well I did try one out but ran into the "blurring" problems that others have experienced and frankly it didn't give me the trade up cost in value over keeping with the 24mp M's.........The rumoured M11? Sure if someone wants to gift me one I'd happily give it a whirl. I am sure that it will encompass many neat new features otherwise why would Leica bother to build and offer it, but it would have to be enormously better than the digital M's I have, and it would have to compete with my increasing use of film again, so all that and the fact that I probably wouldn't be able to afford it will make the M11 a voiristic experience for me, I'll enjoy other's "Ooohs's and Ahhhh's.

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32 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

The anticipation of the birth of the M11 on 11-11-21...

Actually, @Steven has stated — I don't recall whether in this or another thread — that the M11 would be introduced in 2022, and suggested that 11.11 is not a date celebrated in Germany. That made me recall, when the 11.11 date first came up on LUF, that I momentarily had the same thought but then forgot about that: it should, though, be bleeding obvious that any German company with a serious stake in the German market would think that 11.1 would not be an auspicious or favorable date for introducing a product with "11" in its name. 
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Edited October 16, 2021 by Nowhereman

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[pippy]

16 minutes ago, petermullett said:

...I always crop the images I take, I've never considered the frame-lines in a M camera to be anything more than a rough guide to what I am pointing at......Many's the indifferent shot that I have made much more interesting and "saved" by cropping, I consider cropping to be the first art of post production whether in the darkroom or digitally...

I agree with everything you wrote and I think we seem to come from the same place with our approach to both the capturing and process/printing stages. Cropping - and all other sorts of darkroom-based manipulation -  has been a part of photography since pretty much the earliest days...but we could go very off-topic if that particular can of worms was to be opened here......

Philip.

[Jeff S]

24 minutes ago, petermullett said:

. Would I get a M10-R? well I did try one out but ran into the "blurring" problems that others have experienced

I haven’t found any similar issue with the M10 Monochrom, nor read about concerns compared to the R. Still strange to me.

But for the rest, my approach is similar: the final print matters, regardless the gear or editing (including cropping) workflow, film or digital.  Nobody knows or cares, as long as the pic and print are worthy.  
 

Jeff