pico Posted January 30, 2017 Share #181 Posted January 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does the ISO value show in the VF while twisting the knob so you can change it without having to take your eye away from the VF to see what setting you're on? Is it really an issue? You know where it was when you lifted the knob, and you know how it changes with each rotation. In my old experience, the last thing we need is more viewfinder clutter. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 30, 2017 Share #182 Posted January 30, 2017 That translates to 'hands too fat'. Possibly it does, but I think it has more to do with the heft of the lenses one normally uses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 31, 2017 Share #183 Posted January 31, 2017 Possibly it does, but I think it has more to do with the heft of the lenses one normally uses. On an individual basis, yes. In my case, I started out with am M6. I frequently hang a Noctilux on it and my other film and digital Leicas. You just get used to it, whatever it is. I still like 'thin', but my most regular camera is currently the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhs852 Posted January 31, 2017 Share #184 Posted January 31, 2017 I like the ISO setup on the 240. With my arthritis, I don't think I could operate the dial on the M10 easily. I shoot most of my images at ISO 200, with 400 and 800 used minimally. The 240 is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edw Posted January 31, 2017 Share #185 Posted January 31, 2017 Is it really an issue? You know where it was when you lifted the knob, and you know how it changes with each rotation. In my old experience, the last thing we need is more viewfinder clutter. . I'm going to agree here. On my M-D I know what ISO I'm shooting, and will spin the dial—using both thumbs—without moving my eye from the VF. This conversation seems to have two main camps: 1) I haven't touched an M10 and judge the ISO dial a gratuitous, frivolous abomination, and 2) I find—or anticipate finding—the ISO dial useful. In use I found the M10's dial to be not quite as convenient as the M-D's, but it didn't stop me from getting in line for an M10, as the M10 has more than a few compensating advantages. In my case, in no particular order: * simplified on/off switch, * marginal additional svelteness, * a stop or two better low-light performance, * and a screen with buttons and all the features accessible therewith. For what it's worth, I don't care about an ISO knob on the Q because—as has been mentioned here, in the context of the M-240—it's so easy to tap the ISO button and adjust, without even removing your eye from the Q's EVF. That said, if the Q had an ISO knob, I would not complain. [EDIT: Removed redundant redundancy.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jvansmit Posted February 2, 2017 Share #186 Posted February 2, 2017 For what it's worth, I don't care about an ISO knob on the Q because—as has been mentioned here, in the context of the M-240—it's so easy to tap the ISO button and adjust, without even removing your eye from the Q's EVF. That said, if the Q had an ISO knob, I would not complain .] I'd love an ISO dial on my Q !!! I changed ISO several times today, in and out of dingy buildings etc and then back into sunlight, and the M10 dial works much faster than menu-clicking the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 2, 2017 Share #187 Posted February 2, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) no Wrong. ISO does show in the vf as you pick up and turn the iso dial. Just like previous M's it doesn't stay cemented in the vf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 2, 2017 Share #188 Posted February 2, 2017 Wrong. ISO does show in the vf as you pick up and turn the iso dial. Just like previous M's it doesn't stay cemented in the vf. well, I guess that depends on how you define "VF" my comment was regarding the optical finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 4, 2017 Share #189 Posted February 4, 2017 Does the ISO value show in the VF while twisting the knob so you can change it without having to take your eye away from the VF to see what setting you're on?. So I have the camera now and am very happy to report that the OVF shows the ISO as you're turning the knob. It also shows exposure comp as your rotating the wheel. Both excellent pieces of info allowing me to keep my eye on the subject and make decisions for EV and ISO without having to remember what they were set at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #190 Posted February 4, 2017 . So I have the camera now and am very happy to report that the OVF shows the ISO as you're turning the knob. It also shows exposure comp as your rotating the wheel. Both excellent pieces of info allowing me to keep my eye on the subject and make decisions for EV and ISO without having to remember what they were set at. Holy smokes...dont know how I missed this. It only appears when you actually turn the dial, then its gone for good. Well done Leica...I like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 4, 2017 Share #191 Posted February 4, 2017 . So I have the camera now and am very happy to report that the OVF shows the ISO as you're turning the knob. It also shows exposure comp as your rotating the wheel. Both excellent pieces of info allowing me to keep my eye on the subject and make decisions for EV and ISO without having to remember what they were set at. I prefer to have this information before I raise the camera to my eye. I don't walk around the street with a camera to my eye looking for things to photograph. I see a scene and decide to photograph it. When doing that I make decisions about exposure. I like to have exposure decisions made before I raise the camera to my eye. That is my way of working. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 4, 2017 Share #192 Posted February 4, 2017 I prefer to have this information before I raise the camera to my eye. I don't walk around the street with a camera to my eye looking for things to photograph. I see a scene and decide to photograph it. When doing that I make decisions about exposure. I like to have exposure decisions made before I raise the camera to my eye. That is my way of working. William Your in luck...this info is now on a physical dial on top of the camera. Its the best of both worlds, as its also available briefly in the OVF when you turn that same dial...then quickly goes away so your OVF stays clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 4, 2017 Share #193 Posted February 4, 2017 Handled an M10 at the Leica Store in Bellevue, WA, and it's great in every way except that ISO dial. It looks nice, but from the feel of it, there will be no adjusting it blindly. It wouldn't push up with just a finger on the outside pushing it up, it would only go up by pulling on it with two fingers gripping it. With half of it recessed, gripping it and pulling it up is tricky. I would have preferred it to not be locked like it is: just give it strongish detents to keep it from rotating freely, and it'd be great. My 240, I can adjust with it to my eye: third button up, spin the thumbwheel. Functionally, it works better. Still, I wants it, my precioussss. I have no problem with it. Works well without thinking about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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