jmahto Posted January 28, 2017 Share #141 Posted January 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) .... I can't think of an easier and more intuitive way of changing the oven temperature than by turning the knob to a higher or lower setting. The real question is... is it more satisfying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted January 28, 2017 Share #142 Posted January 28, 2017 I don't understand why they made it so you have to pull it out to adjust. You haven't had to do this with the shutter speed dial since the IIIG and very irritating it would be if you had to. As long as the detents are very positive, why not just make it so you can roll it with your left index finger, without having to pull it out. Again it strikes me they are aping the M3 film rewind system as an element of cod nostalgia. Even Leica dropped that with the M4, which has the angled rewind knob that you don't pull out, which is much better for film tensioning, as you can roll it with your index finger. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 28, 2017 Share #143 Posted January 28, 2017 I don't understand why they made it so you have to pull it out to adjust. You haven't had to do this with the shutter speed dial since the IIIG and very irritating it would be if you had to. As long as the detents are very positive, why not just make it so you can roll it with your left index finger, without having to pull it out. Again it strikes me they are aping the M3 film rewind system as an element of cod nostalgia. Even Leica dropped that with the M4, which has the angled rewind knob that you don't pull out, which is much better for film tensioning, as you can roll it with your index finger. Wilson why not...its actually perfect IMO. You pull it up and leave it up while shooting in mixed conditions. It only protrudes 1/4" and is not easily bumped. If the lighting is pretty consistent, I leave it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 28, 2017 Share #144 Posted January 28, 2017 ...These are the type of small things that Leica sometimes does that irritate a little, when they appear to go against their own creed of form following function and allow cosmetics to interfere with simply getting things right... Yet the irony is that making the camera slim was a direct result of requests posted here! I do hope Leica stops this nonsense, and sticks with this size for all future M cameras, same battery, same charger, same dimensions (though ditch the baseplate :-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 28, 2017 Share #145 Posted January 28, 2017 I just don't know what is wrong with the ISO application on the M240. Press and hold the button, while rolling the thumbwheel. ..very ergonomic. And the first thing you see when turning on the camera, is the ISO setting. But I don't change my speed very often, so I'm sure I'm missing something... . Perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 28, 2017 Share #146 Posted January 28, 2017 Yet the irony is that making the camera slim was a direct result of requests posted here! I do hope Leica stops this nonsense, and sticks with this size for all future M cameras, same battery, same charger, same dimensions (though ditch the baseplate :-)) Ditching baseplate and going to SL style battery would mean re-design and a new battery (third time in three models)... let us be careful for what we wish for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 28, 2017 Share #147 Posted January 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ditching baseplate and going to SL style battery would mean re-design and a new battery (third time in three models)... let us be careful for what we wish for. You missed the smiley, Jayant. But yes, we should be careful what we wish for. I must confess, I love the look of the M10, and the new ISO dial looks great. My hope is Leica stays with this form factor, keeps the camera stills only, and continues to make it the best camera for M lenses - nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 28, 2017 Share #148 Posted January 28, 2017 You missed the smiley, Jayant. But yes, we should be careful what we wish for. I must confess, I love the look of the M10, and the new ISO dial looks great. My hope is Leica stays with this form factor, keeps the camera stills only, and continues to make it the best camera for M lenses - nothing more. Agree. I like the new form factor... however I have a feeling that video will creep in in one of future variations... At this time I am eagerly looking at battery performance. So far it doesn't look bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 28, 2017 Share #149 Posted January 28, 2017 I don't change ISO very often either, and the M240 control is fine, which is why adding an extra knob and changing the design to accommodate it feels a trifle excessive to me, and as Wilson suggests, probably a solution to a problem they invented for themselves. Some M photographers have wished for a dedicated ISO dial and Leica has granted that wish. It’s quite simple really. Here are some quotes from a thread dating back 8 years: “I think the ISO dial skould come back in new M also, but my preferred location would be where the rewind film knob is on the M7. Would like it to look just like rewind knob, but have ISO markings.” “I agree that this would be a good idea and the empty space where the rewind know used to be would be the perfect place. And it should be a mechanical dial like the one for shutter speed so that you can set and read it even if the camera is turned off.” “The ISO dial should be exactly like the MP rewind crank with a lift and turn motion.” Similar requests have been made from time to time here; it took Leica a couple of years to respond but now they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 28, 2017 Share #150 Posted January 28, 2017 Agree. I like the new form factor... however I have a feeling that video will creep in in one of future variations... At this time I am eagerly looking at battery performance. So far it doesn't look bad. I hope you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 28, 2017 Share #151 Posted January 28, 2017 Write here, kick up a fuss, start a poll, ask for USB tethering - you just might get it ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 28, 2017 Share #152 Posted January 28, 2017 Pre-M10 release - We need an ISO dial. The Menu system is too complex. Why can't Leica put all of the basic exposure controls on the camera. Rumor-M10 release - That ISO dial is in a terrible spot. It will be too easy to turn. My bag is going to change the ISO. The camera strap will change the ISO. I liked it fine in the menu. ISO isn't an exposure parameter. Leica hasn't thought this through. Post-M10 release - You have to pull it up? This dial is too hard to change. I liked it in the menu. Nostalgic nonsense. RickWilli p.s. I like the dial - a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 28, 2017 Share #153 Posted January 28, 2017 Pre-M10 release - We need an ISO dial. The Menu system is too complex. Why can't Leica put all of the basic exposure controls on the camera. Rumor-M10 release - That ISO dial is in a terrible spot. It will be too easy to turn. My bag is going to change the ISO. The camera strap will change the ISO. I liked it fine in the menu. ISO isn't an exposure parameter. Leica hasn't thought this through. Post-M10 release - You have to pull it up? This dial is too hard to change. I liked it in the menu. Nostalgic nonsense. RickWilli p.s. I like the dial - a lot. I don't think many people are nostalgic for a LCD menu item. A fake wind-on knob on the other hand... Still, as long as we can keep fiddling with our Willis I'm sure we'll all be happy. But seriously, your enthusiasm for the M10 is really good to see and is encouraging me to take a much closer look. Especially the higher iso capabilities, and an improved viewfinder is ALWAYS a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 28, 2017 Share #154 Posted January 28, 2017 I don't think many people are nostalgic for a LCD menu item. A fake wind-on knob on the other hand... Still, as long as we can keep fiddling with our Willis I'm sure we'll all be happy. But seriously, your enthusiasm for the M10 is really good to see and is encouraging me to take a much closer look. Especially the higher iso capabilities, and an improved viewfinder is ALWAYS a good thing. PeterWilli It's not a fake it actually works - Instead of film it changes ISO! Brilliant, no? RickWilli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 29, 2017 Share #155 Posted January 29, 2017 No. Stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted January 29, 2017 Share #156 Posted January 29, 2017 Some M photographers have wished for a dedicated ISO dial and Leica has granted that wish. It’s quite simple really. Here are some quotes from a thread dating back 8 years: “I think the ISO dial skould come back in new M also, but my preferred location would be where the rewind film knob is on the M7. Would like it to look just like rewind knob, but have ISO markings.” “I agree that this would be a good idea and the empty space where the rewind know used to be would be the perfect place. And it should be a mechanical dial like the one for shutter speed so that you can set and read it even if the camera is turned off.” “The ISO dial should be exactly like the MP rewind crank with a lift and turn motion.” Similar requests have been made from time to time here; it took Leica a couple of years to respond but now they have. I think most people think it's a fantastic addition. There is always a small vocal minority However I do think it would have been much better not to have to pull it up in order to change the ISO. Many seem to share this opinion. Not a deal breaker for most but a constructive suggestion for future improvements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 29, 2017 Share #157 Posted January 29, 2017 No. Stupid. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10... ok. I'm good now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted January 29, 2017 Share #158 Posted January 29, 2017 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10... ok. I'm good now. Amazing self control, Rick! My respect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 29, 2017 Share #159 Posted January 29, 2017 I think most people think it's a fantastic addition. There is always a small vocal minority However I do think it would have been much better not to have to pull it up in order to change the ISO. Many seem to share this opinion. Not a deal breaker for most but a constructive suggestion for future improvements. That's stupid too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 29, 2017 Share #160 Posted January 29, 2017 Started the day with a training ride (road bike - ), then went for a: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Now sitting on the deck, it's 5.20pm, 24 degrees, sun shining, drinking home brew (my version of Kolsch), pistachios, Electric Ladyland playing on the record player, and I can't remember why I decided to ignore Rick's posts ... Oh, and the picture was taken with the SL and 90-280 zoom - that's why I'm not buying the M10; not because of the ISO dial - priorities, priorities ... Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Now sitting on the deck, it's 5.20pm, 24 degrees, sun shining, drinking home brew (my version of Kolsch), pistachios, Electric Ladyland playing on the record player, and I can't remember why I decided to ignore Rick's posts ... Oh, and the picture was taken with the SL and 90-280 zoom - that's why I'm not buying the M10; not because of the ISO dial - priorities, priorities ... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268577-bad-m10-iso-dial-is-bad/?do=findComment&comment=3199288'>More sharing options...
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