jmahto Posted February 11, 2017 Share #121 Posted February 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) .......... BTW @jmahto...your photography is excellent, the landscapes are just stunning. Are these all from the M240? Thanks. No, it is a mix of M240, M9, Canon 40D and ...wait for it... Nex-6 and iPhone. I will say that my best landscapes are from M9 mainly because I traveled more with it. For me camera is just a tool. Lenses I get attached to, not cameras. The lens in my avatar is a Konica 135mm hexanon 3.2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #122 Posted February 11, 2017 Not sure if this has already been mentioned but It would great if the RGB histogram would come back. Its been mentioned in the FW thread, I suggest you post again there: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268492-m10-fw-requests/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 11, 2017 Share #123 Posted February 11, 2017 Its been mentioned in the FW thread, I suggest you post again there: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268492-m10-fw-requests/ Thanks for the heads up. Given how new the camera is I'm sure Leica is monitoring requests from current M users and also feedback from early adopters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siraf72 Posted February 11, 2017 Share #124 Posted February 11, 2017 I switched from the M9 and I can't believe there is no Aperture info. I mean I can usually remember or tell more or less what setting I used, but I find this to be a very bizarre omission. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #125 Posted February 11, 2017 I switched from the M9 and I can't believe there is no Aperture info. I mean I can usually remember or tell more or less what setting I used, but I find this to be a very bizarre omission. please post this comment in the FW thread I linked above. Im sure you are aware that the aperture info is just an estimate though right? M lenses can not transmit this info to the body, so the camera has no idea which f-stop was selected. In the past Leica has used a sensor on the front of the camera to estimate the f-stop, its never been accurate and sometimes is completely off. This is the reason they omitted it on the M10...if you search you will find many people complaining that the data was not accurate and they didn't understand that the lens doesn't have a way to send the actual info. Leica will never win, if they supply the estimated data people will complain...if they don't people will complain. Personally I found the estimate useful...hopefully if enough people request it it will come back in the next FW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siraf72 Posted February 11, 2017 Share #126 Posted February 11, 2017 please post this comment in the FW thread I linked above. Im sure you are aware that the aperture info is just an estimate though right? M lenses can not transmit this info to the body, so the camera has no idea which f-stop was selected. In the past Leica has used a sensor on the front of the camera to estimate the f-stop, its never been accurate and sometimes is completely off. This is the reason they omitted it on the M10...if you search you will find many people complaining that the data was not accurate and they didn't understand that the lens doesn't have a way to send the actual info. Leica will never win, if they supply the estimated data people will complain...if they don't people will complain. Personally I found the estimate useful...hopefully if enough people request it it will come back in the next FW. Done, posted on FW request link. I understand it's an estimate but my experience with the M9 has been that it was very accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted February 11, 2017 Share #127 Posted February 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) One reason I am interested in the M10 for sure is its simplicity. The added ISO wheel and the reduction of the buttons on the camera back to 3 (not counting the dpad on the right..) is something I dearly love. This means, that day to day operations are extremely simple and efficient. I applause Leica for their great camera user interfaces - even the M9 was in many details ahead of some "computer" cameras. However, this does not rule out that an advanced user should be able to do in-depth configuration of the camera. And with the M10 this does not even require more menus, there is an app which can connect to the camera. So some settings, like configuring what exactly the info screen in image review shows, could be done with the app - the camera could just choose between the default and the custom setting. The complexity would be left out of the camera, while allowing every user to have it behave more to its needs. Yes, the M10 is a camera, but as any modern device it is also a computer. There should be just a plain and an info screen image review. But there is no reason the user shouldn't be able to use the app to determine where and how large the histogram is, whether and where to display ISO, date, time, aperture, lens information etc. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 11, 2017 Share #128 Posted February 11, 2017 I couldn't agree more about ditching the Set button. I'm very computer savvy and yet I never knew do I press Set? Menu? Ok? I then only 75% did I get it right. Now it's press and go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lss- Posted February 11, 2017 Share #129 Posted February 11, 2017 I wonder what is the rationale for omitting date time info in playback mode.If I had to guess: They talked to their customers, and most people said "I don't care". Many said "I care, but I have a calendar". It's a weird decision, but easy to fix in an update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 11, 2017 Share #130 Posted February 11, 2017 Putting the date and time in the playback menu uses more energy and is not good for the planet so it was omitted. It's a green thing. As long as the date and time is embedded in the image I don't care if it shows in the playback image on the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #131 Posted February 11, 2017 Putting the date and time in the playback menu uses more energy and is not good for the planet so it was omitted. It's a green thing. As long as the date and time is embedded in the image I don't care if it shows in the playback image on the camera. If I had to guess: They talked to their customers, and most people said "I don't care". Many said "I care, but I have a calendar". It's a weird decision, but easy to fix in an update. read post #117 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 11, 2017 Share #132 Posted February 11, 2017 read post #117 What does post #117 have to do with what I said? Reread post #130. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 11, 2017 Share #133 Posted February 11, 2017 Putting the date and time in the playback menu uses more energy and is not good for the planet so it was omitted. It's a green thing. As long as the date and time is embedded in the image I don't care if it shows in the playback image on the camera. You wrote "so it was omitted" and Lss wrote "but easy fix in an update" It is not omitted as pointed out in the post I referenced, so nothing to fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 11, 2017 Share #134 Posted February 11, 2017 You have no sense of humor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitri_c Posted February 21, 2017 Share #135 Posted February 21, 2017 Hi there I've checked this one out carefully, and I understand that the hardware required for the level gauge isn't there - so there won't be a firmware fix to fix it. If you look at the interview David Farkas did with Jesko and Stefan you can see that it was a real issue getting it all squeezed in, and I guess this one had to go. So, No - no firmware fix for this one . . . Keep on asking for the Aperture in the exif though (I know I am!) all the best Hello - A couple of weeks ago, I also sent out an e-mail to a very well known person responsible for the "M" development regarding the "virtual horizon". I got more or less the same answer as Dempski. The answer was "… The initial idea was to make the M10 as pure and simple as possible. We are now collecting customer feedback and depending on this, the virtual horizon may be implemented via firmware update…" Makes already two people from Leica® who wrote that it should be possible to reintroduce the virtual horizon via a firmware. And also if I remember well, it was the same case with the M240 at the beginning -> NO virtual horizon, and a couple of firmwares later it made its appearance. - Dimitri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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