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The little things we lose with the M10

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I trust Jono.  Leica Rumors admin, however, is pretty confident based on info from more than one source inside Leica.  So, we'll see.

 

Jeff

 

Some perspective: Here's the sort of part that would need to be in the body, if it's not integrated into the custom IC they use for the image processor:

 

http://www.kr4.us/triple-axis-accelerometer-adxl335.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAw_DEBRChnYiQ_562gsEBEiQA4LcssgdDLyfgA-TTDydZI8AbQcIz8Mhl3MKMzj9-BrK1vvUaAv4W8P8HAQ

 

I would want to find a way to get that part into the body even if I didn't ship with software support for it.

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I posted this on the missing level thread, but will again here since it's relevant.  I wrote Leica Customer Care on Jan 29 expressing my dismay about the missing level.  I got the following reply on Feb 8, and sent the info to Leica Rumors.  They posted the "rumor" the same day.  

 

 

First I would like to apologize to you for the late reply.

Due to the high level of many email inquiries we are here slightly in the delay with the answer.

Be assured that we always try to answer promptly.

 

I would like to thank you for your suggestions and criticism at the Leica M10.

 

The missing horizon/level tool is in process and is integrated with one of the next firmware updates.

 

If you have further questions do not hesitate to contact me again.

 

 

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / kind regards 
 
Peter Brieger 
Leica Camera AG 
Customer Care 

Produkt Support
 

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Some perspective: Here's the sort of part that would need to be in the body, if it's not integrated into the custom IC they use for the image processor:

 

http://www.kr4.us/triple-axis-accelerometer-adxl335.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAw_DEBRChnYiQ_562gsEBEiQA4LcssgdDLyfgA-TTDydZI8AbQcIz8Mhl3MKMzj9-BrK1vvUaAv4W8P8HAQ

 

I would want to find a way to get that part into the body even if I didn't ship with software support for it.

 

It is in the body already.

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Some perspective: Here's the sort of part that would need to be in the body, if it's not integrated into the custom IC they use for the image processor:

 

http://www.kr4.us/triple-axis-accelerometer-adxl335.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAw_DEBRChnYiQ_562gsEBEiQA4LcssgdDLyfgA-TTDydZI8AbQcIz8Mhl3MKMzj9-BrK1vvUaAv4W8P8HAQ

 

I would want to find a way to get that part into the body even if I didn't ship with software support for it.

 

You found a chunky one! That one is HUGE at 4x4x1.45mm. I found a cheaper one ($1.50 in single quantity) that's 2x2x1mm : http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/group0/72/cb/80/a7/5e/fe/46/9d/DM00153214/files/DM00153214.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00153214.pdf over at DigiKey: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/LIS2DE12TR/497-15997-1-ND/5452397

 

4 cubic mm.  ;)

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The presence of the electronic level would make the camera just perfect for me. Yes, longer battery life would be nice but the only times I've ever needed my second battery in the M240 is when I knew in advance that I would need a second battery. I always leave the screen on the dimmest setting and have minimal preview time, just enough if I need to check the histogram.

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Battery life does concern me a bit.

 

Not because I regularly take a thousand photos a day, but simply because the amazing battery life of the M240 was pleasantly liberating. I could go days knowing I needn't even check the charge whereas on less well-endowed cameras I have to check regularly.

 

It's a small thing and it hasn't stopped me ordering one. But it is a nice little feature that we've lost, and reduces the idea of simplicity by one tiny notch.

 

Funnily enough, whilst I have no idea when the camera will be delivered, I've already got my first spare battery!

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Ah, well done! I was at first over at Mouser looking at representative parts but got distracted when I couldn't sort a result list by physical dimensions.

 

 

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Both 'reduced battery capacity' and 'no video' are issues making the M10 not up-to-date, - and not really interesting.  The battery capacity of the M(240) is already marginal compared to competition.  Video will be a 'must' on all cameras today.  I use video regularly on my M(240).  It's the logical extension of the camera.  It's an 'all in one solution' when travelling as a tourist.

​Video is a software change, and should be easy to fix.

While a huge battery could be provided for as an 'add-on' block at the bottom of the camera.  As motors were attached on the old analogue M's.

​I still haven't heard anything about how M10 works with lenses of other brands.  Is the new sensor so good that no software corrections have to be made for 'hiding' purple egdes?

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The battery capacity of the M(240) is already marginal compared to competition.  Video will be a 'must' on all cameras today.  I use video regularly on my M(240). 

You keep saying this. What competition are you referring to? The M240 has a 1800 mAh battery and the M10 has a 1300 mAh battery. For comparison, the Sony Alpha A7RII (which many people purchase instead of a rangefinder Leica due to cost or focusing issues) has a 1020 mAh battery. So please enlighten us on what competition you are referring to?

 

As for video....simply because you use video regularly does not make it a "must" on every camera. I find that to be a ridiculous statement. Leica listened to their user base and the vast majority did not want or use video on the M camera.

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................................Leica listened to their user base and the vast majority did not want or use video on the M camera.

 

 

 

I don't disagree with you in principle and I guess you're broadly right in your conclusions. And I would have said no to video had they asked me. But they never have asked me. 

 

Despite being a fairly long-term M owner, (I bought my first new M in the early 1980s) I have never been asked directly or indirectly about what I'd like in a new camera, and I wonder whether anyone really knows what the vast majority wants. And the vast majority of who?

 

One of the harder things to know is what Leica could have done to attract the people who decided not to buy.  Price is an obvious obstacle to many people as is the lack of auto-focus, but among those who do like the basic M format, and consider each new M, why don't they all buy every new iteration? Leica probably learn a lot from listening not only to happy buyers but to all those who, for various reasons, have decided not to buy. That's why I don't think we should dismiss comments that sound negative or end up simply expressing a minority view.

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I don't disagree with you in principle and I guess you're broadly right in your conclusions. And I would have said no to video had they asked me. But they never have asked me. 

 

Despite being a fairly long-term M owner, (I bought my first new M in the early 1980s) I have never been asked directly or indirectly about what I'd like in a new camera, and I wonder whether anyone really knows what the vast majority wants. And the vast majority of who?.

In a recent interview, this is what Jesko Von Oeynhausen had to say about this:

 

"We talked a lot to our customers to find out what the essential requirements for the new generation were. And when we talked about video we found out that most of the customers said, “I don’t care.” Many costumers said “I do care, but I don’t want it.” And of course, there’s a certain group of costumers that really appreciate video and would miss it, but these are customers that would really want it working perfectly, with HDMI and more advanced features.

 

So therefore, we have the SL as an option for them. When we developed the M (Typ 240) we didn’t have an SL so we tried to reach a broad customer group, which we still can reach now. But with two different products, which makes sense from a product development standpoint."

Makes sense to me, too.

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One more thing missing.. There is no way currently within the camera to tell what day or what time a previously taken photo was captured.

 

 

Is that really necessary? I would rather keep the info lean and not clutter up the display.

If I need to know this, I look on my computer, not the camera.

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Option to shoot uncompressed files.Please do not say "lossless = lossless", unless you have actually taken the time to test with 100s of files.In the case of Sony, certainly lossless does not equal lossless, no matter the claims. I don't shoot the 240 so I can't compare.

Don't say lossless is not lossless unless you read the DNG spec and actually look at the computer algorithms. We computer people know what we are talking about when we say lossless.

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Is that really necessary? I would rather keep the info lean and not clutter up the display.

If I need to know this, I look on my computer, not the camera.

I was expecting a defense. :)

 

Seriously. It is a digital camera allowing you to preview images. Date time is part of picture info. In M240 you get the details by pressing the dpad button. I am surprised M10 will be different (there is no logical reason to hide this).

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