imants Posted January 20, 2017 Share #81 Posted January 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It would probably be the Monochrom ... I buy cameras for specific purposes ie a oly with a 12mm just for images for textiles (easy to get colours precise even in jpegs) a fuji xe2 with a manual 50mm 1.4 lens (75mm) for portraits m8 and epson for b&w etc etc can't figure what to use the M10 for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted January 20, 2017 Share #82 Posted January 20, 2017 I voted "definitely interested" - and may be ordering one tomorrow. Once I have looked at some of the DNG files that are available for download. I would be upgrading from an M9/MM combo, not a 240 (which I skipped altogether). Key points of interest: 1. Thinner body. Not so much for the thickness itself (I'm happy with the M9 feel, could live with the M262, don't suffer from "princess-and-the-pea" pickiness) - but because it permits the larger, "correct-magnification" optical viewfinder (shorter viewfinder "tunnel" = .73x finder). 2. Faster frame rate. I don't machine-gun to capture a single moment, but like to produce sequences, where multiple frames all become part of the final image. Contax G2 did 4 fps and I loved it. Plus it means the whole operation, even for single frames, should be crisper and tighter and less - tired-feeling. 3. ISO dial - I am hopeful that having a hardware ISO setting mechanism means that either: Leica already has a menu option to turn off the "light show" of ISO/ExComp reminder readouts in the finder every time I raise the camera to my eye, or can add such a menu item in future firmware upgrades. They are an unnecessary distraction and time-waster, and I will so lobby Stefan Daniel. Plus various items already present in the M240 and siblings, but perhaps enhanced in the M10: 4. Live View - don't need an eye-level EVF, but if Leica could produce a flat horizontal accessory LCD screen that uses the EVF connection and slips into the hot shoe - well, in my SLR days, I used to love to pop the prism off a Canon F1 or Nikon F for low/high-angle shots composed directly on the ground-glass. Something I've always missed using rangefinders (or even most modern SLRs). Technically, it should be trivially-easy creation. 5. Workable (non-banding) 5-digit ISO capability - in color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall Brigade Posted January 20, 2017 Share #83 Posted January 20, 2017 Just to expand my opinion, I like everything about the M10 except it's name, it should be called M11 and the M240 line should be rebranded to M10, formally or informally if it doesn't continue to be sold. Calling this the M10 when there was an M9 makes the M240 disappear in history. I think the change in the naming sequence to M 240 was a really bad decision (and everyone at the time questioned how they will call the next one if it was only M for the 240) and I applaud the fact that they're come to their senses and got back to the naming sequence we are all used to. Just keep it simple, Leica! But you should have gone directly to M11 and start calling the 240 as it should have been, the M10! Regarding the updates and features of the M10, it is a step forward to me, simplicity, just like the M262 was a step forward relative to the M240, at least for me. In the case of the M10, less buttons in the back is good, ISO dial with a locking mechanism is good, exposure compensation on the side dial is good (if it doesn't get switched by accident), no video is irrelevant to me, high ISO capability is good and thinner body is great, we finally have a digital the size of the film M's (33mm thickness vs 37 on the M9 and 42 on the M240). Wifi with support for DNG is good for professional shooters and the bigger buffer is also important. All in all they are pretty much going the right direction after a little diversion with the M240. They can keep the most advanced features like video and EVF and all that in the SL line, to compete in the mirrorless segment, while keeping the classic rangefinder alive and well with the M line. Good move in my opinion. Because I am all too happy with my M9, which I think will forever be a very special digital camera with it's CCD technology and known capabilities, I do not intend to ever sell it (especially since it is my 3rd M9, I sold the previous 2 and regreted it twice), so I'll only be in the market for an M10 in a few years when the M11 is announced and the prices start to get down below 50% of the initial cost. But I will be following reviews and opinions in the mean time! I nominate my M (TYP262) to be the most recent new M camera, not the M240, prior to this new M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifh21 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #84 Posted January 20, 2017 since i just got my m240 last nov, ill stick with that first and invest my money on lenses instead:) interested in the future mp version though:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 20, 2017 Share #85 Posted January 20, 2017 I voted "definitely interested" - and may be ordering one tomorrow. Once I have looked at some of the DNG files that are available for download. I would be upgrading from an M9/MM combo, not a 240 (which I skipped altogether). Key points of interest: 1. Thinner body. Not so much for the thickness itself (I'm happy with the M9 feel, could live with the M262, don't suffer from "princess-and-the-pea" pickiness) - but because it permits the larger, "correct-magnification" optical viewfinder (shorter viewfinder "tunnel" = .73x finder). 2. Faster frame rate. I don't machine-gun to capture a single moment, but like to produce sequences, where multiple frames all become part of the final image. Contax G2 did 4 fps and I loved it. Plus it means the whole operation, even for single frames, should be crisper and tighter and less - tired-feeling. 3. ISO dial - I am hopeful that having a hardware ISO setting mechanism means that either: Leica already has a menu option to turn off the "light show" of ISO/ExComp reminder readouts in the finder every time I raise the camera to my eye, or can add such a menu item in future firmware upgrades. They are an unnecessary distraction and time-waster, and I will so lobby Stefan Daniel. Plus various items already present in the M240 and siblings, but perhaps enhanced in the M10: 4. Live View - don't need an eye-level EVF, but if Leica could produce a flat horizontal accessory LCD screen that uses the EVF connection and slips into the hot shoe - well, in my SLR days, I used to love to pop the prism off a Canon F1 or Nikon F for low/high-angle shots composed directly on the ground-glass. Something I've always missed using rangefinders (or even most modern SLRs). Technically, it should be trivially-easy creation. 5. Workable (non-banding) 5-digit ISO capability - in color. Highlight mine... You could use iPhone with remote app to do the viewing at any angle (from what I read in various reviews so far) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 20, 2017 Share #86 Posted January 20, 2017 A fair point. Although I'd prefer something sized to mount on the camera top to make one unit (which can probably be done with a phone) but not blocking access to the shutter and ISO dials. Plus - why deny Leica the chance to take a few more of my $$$€€€¢¢¢£££s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 20, 2017 Share #87 Posted January 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) thighslapper owes me a ten spot. No autofocus. PM me an address and I'll post you your ill gotten gains. There were two ways this could have gone (as I posted later) ...... Leica have decided on the retro approach and have culled rather than added features. Clearly now the SL is the future .... the M is the past .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #88 Posted January 20, 2017 For once I voted no ...... I would like and M10 ...... but I don't need an M10 .... and on this occasion the itch is just not strong enough to scratch ..... yet, anyway I have used the SL almost exclusively for 14 months ... apart from the odd day with the Q .... and the 'charm' and idiosyncrasies of the M have paled somewhat in the face of a near optical digital VF experience and ergonomics that would be hard to better. Of course, I'll no doubt get one out of pure curiosity - and pension off some redundant Leica gear to justify the extravagance, but I'm just not that sure it would get much use ..... That's a very useful justification for buying more Leica equipment: so you have trade goods to offset against future purchases. I will try that one on my finance director. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #89 Posted January 20, 2017 I wont be in the market for one till the end of the year, if i buy one at all. Having played with the M10 today and seeing the files out of it, i am very interested. Still struggling with justifying it though. I dont use my M240 enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #90 Posted January 20, 2017 The M10 looks like a great upgrade to the M240. I always hated the M240 since first handling one and thought of it as an exercise in Leica trying to do an "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (and we all know how that ends usually). I never bought one and never planned to get one. I had high hopes that Leica does get back on track and corrects the big design mistakes made with the M240 and Leica absolutely delivered. The M10 looks to be the camera people like me have been waiting for who didn't want the bloated, cluttered camera the M240 is. I will pick one up the next time I am back home. Only wishes I have for future models: - offer black paint on product start (ALWAYS) - don't let customers wait and charge them more on an outgoing P model for having the branding and lettering removed (I want an all black paint M10 without dots and logos) - align product starts of color sensors, mono sensor and offer LCD delete options as a la Carte so customers who want to upgrade to a new platform can upgrade at once (I would take a color sensor and a mono sensor M10, the M10 Mono having a LCD delete) So … when is the M10 Mono coming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #91 Posted January 20, 2017 Recently bought an M-D, but now I've put in an order for the M10 and plan to sell my S 006. The M10 looks like it'll be good for a lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted January 20, 2017 Share #92 Posted January 20, 2017 Recently bought an M-D, but now I've put in an order for the M10 and plan to sell my S 006. The M10 looks like it'll be good for a lifetime. Don't you wish! Darn shame this wasn't the camera that replaced the M9. I bought a new M-P(240) and when I decided all the additions over the previous model didn't add anything to the M shooting experience I sold it at a rather big loss. Now Leica has introduced a more "pure" M that I would like to shoot, but I won't because after the M9 sensor problems followed by the S fiasco I'm done with Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 20, 2017 Share #93 Posted January 20, 2017 PM me an address and I'll post you your ill gotten gains. There were two ways this could have gone (as I posted later) ...... Leica have decided on the retro approach and have culled rather than added features. Clearly now the SL is the future .... the M is the past .... I'm not so sure about the future and past theory. I would think parallel products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 20, 2017 Share #94 Posted January 20, 2017 I have been watching a few video reviews of the M10 online and have discovered that the M10 does not have video capability; I had thought that the video button was gone but the option was to be found somewhere buried in a menu but that is not the case. The M flagship camera is at last free of video twattery. That is a monumental leap forward in my view. Thank you, Wetzlar! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted January 20, 2017 Share #95 Posted January 20, 2017 The dioptry for the Visoflex goes from -3 to +1 ... sorry but another very negative point (with the 2.4mp) why not -3 / +3 ? a large range Precisely I'm long sighted and need +1.5 or +2. Without I find it very difficult to focus accurately especially the longer FL's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted January 20, 2017 Share #96 Posted January 20, 2017 What's the decisive feature to order a Leica M10? Or what is the point not to buy it? Decisive feature: the small improvements of virtually all of the camera's features over the M240 to further refine its operation, thus improving the overall user experience. Specifics I like based on the early reviews: speed, responsiveness, elimination of banding at most ISOs, more fluid live view experience and ability to magnify off-center areas, better EVF. Why I won't buy it (yet): no significant 'must have' new features. Final image quality for most of my shooting situations will be very similar to the M240. In other words, I will likely upgrade in due time, but I don't need to have it now (though the more I read, the more I want it ). I can wait a year for the bugs to be worked out and for availability to improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sml_photo Posted January 20, 2017 Share #97 Posted January 20, 2017 Looks like a great camera! And I do like some of the features such as improved water and dust proof, WiFi capability, different viewfinder magnification, higher ISO capability (see below), overall appearance. Things I don't care about are frames per second, size and weight, new EVF, higher ISO capability (I can and do live with the present range). Things that I don't like are the reduced battery life, frames per second (hey! I thought this was a stripped down and "back to basics M." FPS??), no attachments from the old camera "fit" the new camera (except the strap!), lack of internal built in sensor cleaning function. Having said that, I may still get one eventually!! haha You all know how it goes! Especially if there's a Monochrom! (Which I imagine is likely.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 20, 2017 Share #98 Posted January 20, 2017 it's nice, but not in the budget. Additional native lenses for the SL have priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted January 20, 2017 Share #99 Posted January 20, 2017 Precisely I'm long sighted and need +1.5 or +2. Without I find it very difficult to focus accurately especially the longer FL's I need +2.5 For this price we get a piece of plastic with a technology from 2011 , the dioptrie range is not good, 2.4 mp is a nonsense today, it is huge and not esthetic, and there is a blackout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambot-M Posted January 20, 2017 Share #100 Posted January 20, 2017 Hi All, I just ordered my first Leica camera and looking forward to using it. I ordered it through Adorama. Its been back-ordered as of now. Hope I get it ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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