M28 Posted January 18, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 18, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I always wanted a thread where the differences between the different digital M cameras can be compared and commented on with the appropriate gravity by real life use. For instance at one point, Jaap provided a really good post that the M240 viewfinder was significantly better then the M9 and this was not something I got from any other source, including the manuals or the media. Ideally somebody with more time on their hands could create a comparison table matrix and update it every so often with a date say M_comparison_v20170119 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 18, 2017 Posted January 18, 2017 Hi M28, Take a look here Leica M10 vs M240, M9, M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
thedirektor Posted January 18, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 18, 2017 I'd be interested to see the M262 added to this comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0c0m0 Posted January 18, 2017 Share #3 Posted January 18, 2017 M240 is heavier and seems thicker (as least how I felt when holding it) than my M9-P and M-D. Yes, I skipped M240 because it is a heavy tank to me. I read that M10 is thinner than M240. Just wonder how it size is compared with M9-P and M-D which are definitely lighter than M240. I guess I can wait for the all black/no logo M10-P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 19, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 19, 2017 Yes indeed, a comparison table would be helpful. Straightaway, I can see compelling advantages in the M10 vs. previous digital Ms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #5 Posted January 19, 2017 Such a table would be useful, as it can help folks make an upgrade or buying decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 19, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 19, 2017 M240 is heavier and seems thicker (as least how I felt when holding it) than my M9-P and M-D. Yes, I skipped M240 because it is a heavy tank to me. I read that M10 is thinner than M240. Just wonder how it size is compared with M9-P and M-D which are definitely lighter than M240. I guess I can wait for the all black/no logo M10-P Jono's review has pictures of M240, M6TTL and M10 for comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted January 19, 2017 Share #7 Posted January 19, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... Yes, I skipped M240 because it is a heavy tank to me... I'll be completely honest: I skipped the M240 because I'm frugal. I like my M9 and I expect a Leica to last 10 - 20 years. My M9 is only 7 years old and I should keep it a few more years but there are enough improvements in the M10 to make the change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 19, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 19, 2017 That one is easy: first of all, the viewfinder, a marvel of engineering that will separate this camera immediately. Next it's slim body. And last wLan and unification with an iphone. Oh and sensorwise, I guess, more dynamic range as seen with the big ISO numbers, faster cpu but ok these you expect more or less. The biggest difference is the VF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 19, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 19, 2017 I shoot with a M9-P and made a reservation for a silver chrome M10. Live View and 4 stops of ISO improvement are what appeals to me the most but there are a few other welcomed additions. In order of importance to me....... 1) I've never gone over ISO 800 with my M9-P. With the M10 it seems I could shoot at ISO 6400-12800 quite comfortably. That has me very excited. I can now shoot in practically any lighting condition, and opt to shoot with smaller/lighter lenses instead of my Summilux's. Perhaps I will pick up a 28mm Elmarit ASPH if the new 28mm framelines are as good as reported. 2) Live View adds versatility and provides more shooting opportunities. It will allow accurate framing for the occasional landscapes with my 21 SEM, and instead of my Voigtlander 21/25 viewfinder, I can now carry a macro ring for close-ups. 3) I shoot in aperture priority 80% of the time, so a physical exposure compensation dial is greatly appreciated. 4) The LCD on the M9 was a joke so any improvement is obviously pretty big. 5) Shutter sounds awesome in the youtube videos. Hope it's as good or better compared to the M 262 in real life. (anything is better than the M9 LOL) 6) I may have to experiment a bit with the Multi-field metering, but I'm glad the option is there. 7) As for the ISO dial I don't really care for it's function, but I must admit that it's aesthetically pleasing. 8) I would have appreciated a lighter (580-620g) body over a thinner body, but it's good that the Leica M is heading in the right direction. 9) Although I probably wouldn't use Wifi, it has probably contributed to less ports and a lighter body, so I'm happy with that. 10) Absence of video? I'll just my smartphone for those rare occasions. ?) Unknown but quite sure is improved ---- white balance, colors (skin tones), OOC JPEGs, exposure metering, view finder So it seems like a no-brainer for me. I still love my M9-P so it will stay in my cabinet as my secondary and backup camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 19, 2017 I have started a google spread sheet with a comparision table. Anyone with this link can edit so you can add (or correct) if something is wrong: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XsQ_g9n3t_5ewJqctEAu7VvqFfzrc1wu4_9St2k5r1c/edit?usp=sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 19, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 19, 2017 ^^ To add to the above post, the only thing I wish the M10 had was a bit more resolution... .maybe in the 28-32MP range. Just nitpicking a bit. Other than that, I am 100% happy with the feature set of the M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 19, 2017 Share #12 Posted January 19, 2017 I think it will be a tiny bit lighther than the M9, and about M6 size ? A table would be great. I didn't like the size of the 240 and really wanted Leica to shed a few grams, bring the size down to M6 and have a separate ISO dial and no video, it's nearly perfect, and a stop or two better ISO, it's nearly perfect I think !! I'll wait and see how the full reviews, images and analysis goes and wait for the P if I change from the 9 to the 10. I'll be in to Mayfair soon for a look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M28 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted January 19, 2017 I'd be interested to see the M262 added to this comparison.Sure all the digital m models deserve to be there. And you know what nobody can say that an older model is truly inferior to a newer model, for instance there are people who would never part with their M8 over a newer model because for them, the M8 pictures had a unique look I imagine the comparison matrix table would become a sticky or pinned post up the front or even a PDF that's updated with latest learnings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 19, 2017 Sure all the digital m models deserve to be there. And you know what nobody can say that an older model is truly inferior to a newer model, for instance there are people who would never part with their M8 over a newer model because for them, the M8 pictures had a unique look I imagine the comparison matrix table would become a sticky or pinned post up the front I did exactly this table in my spread sheet above (post 10) and ANYone can add ANY data to it to make it complete, my idea was "public editing" so we will get a complete overview https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M28 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted January 19, 2017 I have started a google spread sheet with a comparision table. Anyone with this link can edit so you can add (or correct) if something is wrong: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XsQ_g9n3t_5ewJqctEAu7VvqFfzrc1wu4_9St2k5r1c/edit?usp=sharing thank you That's the way to go with google docs, I suppose it would be nice if we could pick out an administrator who has the most cameras and experience and who could direct its expansion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 19, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 19, 2017 It's been a while discussing body thicknesses, but looking at the sheet the diameter is quoted at 39mm This is probably correct but includes the grip and the lens mount. Leica say 33.7mm so lets say 34mm for the body and 5mm for the grip and lens mount. Can't recall where we got to on this, I'd measure my MM I which is with me but I can't find a ruler ! I suspect M10 34mm, M9 35.5mm, M240 37mm or soemthing like that an M6 is definitely slimmer than my M-9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlockwood Posted January 19, 2017 Share #17 Posted January 19, 2017 I think it will be a tiny bit lighther than the M9, and about M6 size ? A table would be great. I didn't like the size of the 240 and really wanted Leica to shed a few grams, bring the size down to M6 and have a separate ISO dial and no video, it's nearly perfect, and a stop or two better ISO, it's nearly perfect I think !! I'll wait and see how the full reviews, images and analysis goes and wait for the P if I change from the 9 to the 10. I'll be in to Mayfair soon for a look So the screen on the M10 is not sapphire ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2017 Share #18 Posted January 19, 2017 Gorilla glass AFAIK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 19, 2017 Share #19 Posted January 19, 2017 So there is room for the typical next step, a M10-P with a sapphire "glass". (in 2 to 3 years ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #20 Posted January 19, 2017 Erwin Puts is very sober on the subject. M10 is nicer to shoot. Other than the stretch to ISO 6400, which is great, image quality is no better than M240, which means it's no better than M9, or not as good depending on your perspective. I admire the M10, and would be happy to have one. But my M9 is looking very brassy sexy these days, and it delivers just the way I like My money will go to A7r2.mod2 as new second body, because it does offer many things the M9 and M10 don't. 42mp, 4K, CF, and AF, and it's also good to 6400. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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