Bobby Posted December 21, 2016 Share #1 Posted December 21, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can see two framelines all the time (either with the 35mm or the 50mm lens). I could not find an option in the menu to keep only one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 Hi Bobby, Take a look here Keep one frameline in the M 262. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Exodies Posted December 21, 2016 Share #2 Posted December 21, 2016 It's a bug in the design of M viewfinders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 21, 2016 Share #3 Posted December 21, 2016 The framelines are selected and shown by purely mechanical means, just as in the older film Leicas. The frameline selector has three positions, each showing two framelines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted December 21, 2016 Share #4 Posted December 21, 2016 It's a bug in the design of M viewfinders. How do I pick which frame line out of two I want to use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 21, 2016 Share #5 Posted December 21, 2016 How do I pick which frame line out of two I want to use?What? It should be very obvious! I presume this is 'tongue in cheek'. Which makes me wonder why you just don't answer the OP's question. Bobby, the outer frame is for the shorter focal length and the inner frame line for the longer. The pairs (on a 240) are normally 50/75, 28/90, and 35/135, but it should be clear from the instruction manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted December 21, 2016 Share #6 Posted December 21, 2016 What? It should be very obvious! I presume this is 'tongue in cheek'. Which makes me wonder why you just don't answer the OP's question. Bobby, the outer frame is for the shorter focal length and the inner frame line for the longer. The pairs (on a 240) are normally 50/75, 28/90, and 35/135, but it should be clear from the instruction manual. My comment was indeed tongue in cheek, however hand over M to uninitiated (OP) and ask them to look through the VF and take a picture. Then my question is a real question. Thanks for replying with clear answer. You have lots of patience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 21, 2016 Share #7 Posted December 21, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) My comment was indeed tongue in cheek, however hand over M to uninitiated (OP) and ask them to look through the VF and take a picture. Then my question is a real question. Thanks for replying with clear answer. You have lots of patience. It's a digital camera, you can see the picture very shortly after taking it and taking a picture does not cost anything. Hence, taking one frame and comparing the framing of the picture to what can be seen in the RF should answer the question, I would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted December 21, 2016 Share #8 Posted December 21, 2016 It's a digital camera, you can see the picture very shortly after taking it and taking a picture does not cost anything. Hence, taking one frame and comparing the framing of the picture to what can be seen in the RF should answer the question, I would think. How many times I have asked someone to take my picture and my head or feet has been chopped off. I propose a 10 sec instruction video shown in the VF before a stranger takes a picture. Call it a stranger mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 22, 2016 Share #9 Posted December 22, 2016 How do I pick which frame line out of two I want to use? I often wonder about this. I didn't pay much attention to the details when I read the manual but in practice I always use the correct lines. I've no idea how I do it. I couldn't say which focal lengths are paired. I must be some kind of instinctive view finding genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted December 22, 2016 Share #10 Posted December 22, 2016 I often wonder about this. I didn't pay much attention to the details when I read the manual but in practice I always use the correct lines. I've no idea how I do it. I couldn't say which focal lengths are paired. I must be some kind of instinctive view finding genius. There have been times when after switching to 90mm from my 28mm (my go to FL), I was still using 28mm lines for framing. Live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted December 22, 2016 Share #11 Posted December 22, 2016 I don't think a complete novice would grasp the principles but would look through viewfinder and assume all of it would be on the photo. With the M240 I found that for 90mm fov using the red frame-lines sharpened the attention – not possible, alas, with the 262 which only has white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 22, 2016 Share #12 Posted December 22, 2016 My comment was indeed tongue in cheek, however hand over M to uninitiated (OP) and ask them to look through the VF and take a picture. Then my question is a real question. Thanks for replying with clear answer. You have lots of patience. You shouldn't hand an M to an 'uninitiated' person, far too risky! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted December 22, 2016 Share #13 Posted December 22, 2016 You shouldn't hand an M to an 'uninitiated' person, far too risky! 1+ People usually ask me why it doesn't focus automatically... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted December 22, 2016 Share #14 Posted December 22, 2016 Well, actually, it would be a nice feature to be able to 'turn off' the frame you do not need. Since we have led illuminated framelines, maybe it could be done... This would bring back the uncluttered frames of my M2 to the digital M's. Maybe something for the M11? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 22, 2016 Share #15 Posted December 22, 2016 Well, actually, it would be a nice feature to be able to 'turn off' the frame you do not need. Since we have led illuminated framelines, maybe it could be done... This would bring back the uncluttered frames of my M2 to the digital M's. Maybe something for the M11? If you understand how the frame lines work you'll also understand why they can't simply be 'switched off'. It would take a major redesign of the whole viewfinder/rangefinder assembly to have individual masks and they would have to be selected manually with each lens change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 22, 2016 Share #16 Posted December 22, 2016 A major redesign is the least we should expect for each generation of a camera. The camera knows the focal length so there should be no manual intervention necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 22, 2016 Share #17 Posted December 22, 2016 A major redesign is the least we should expect for each generation of a camera. The camera knows the focal length so there should be no manual intervention necessary.Let's analyze that.Focal length fine. Which lens of the many available speeds? Coded or uncoded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted December 22, 2016 Share #18 Posted December 22, 2016 How do I pick which frame line out of two I want to use?You don't have the option to choose. Only one is valid.Surely you should have phrased the question as follows: "How do I know which frames out of the two visible, is the active frame?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 22, 2016 Share #19 Posted December 22, 2016 Let's analyze that.......... Let's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 22, 2016 Share #20 Posted December 22, 2016 Well, actually, it would be a nice feature to be able to 'turn off' the frame you do not need. Since we have led illuminated framelines, maybe it could be done... This would bring back the uncluttered frames of my M2 to the digital M's. Maybe something for the M11? Have a look.... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/66999-anatomy-of-the-leica-m8-framelines/ The LEDs merely replace the window to provide light, not to create the frame lines. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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