pop Posted January 6, 2017 Share #461 Posted January 6, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Do you not find that EVF is slow; disconcerting, disconnected to what is in front of the camera? It's all that. However, when using long lenses or when framing becomes critical, slow and disconnected from what's in front is O.K. with me. I will be in a slow MO and I will be interested in what the camera captures more than in the antics of the hills and buildings in front of it. Not in my experience. Viewing a purely optical presentation to a ground glass is profoundly faster, more accurate than having some kind of digital algorithm intervening. Maybe you have to have done that to understand. I swear that digital is making people stupid. Yes, much as using motorized vehicles is making people stupid. The risk of using any technology that lets you do things you couldn't do without: you lose some qualities that can only be had without the technology. Trade offs, always trade offs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 Hi pop, Take a look here Whenever the new M arrives, who's going to buy one?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
indergaard Posted January 6, 2017 Share #462 Posted January 6, 2017 Not me this time around... Unless the price is slashed in half. I'm very happy with my analog workflow with my MP nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 7, 2017 Share #463 Posted January 7, 2017 Seems owners of the M9 and its variants could be keener to buy the new M10 than owners of the Typ 240 M. That would fit in with a current expected lifespan for digital products of about five years -- how long you expect to keep them before wanting to replace them because a) they no longer work, or newer models offer significantly better features. That lifespan may be getting longer as products evolve and mature. My current iMac is nearly four years old and I see very little reason to buy a new one so far (touch wood). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share #464 Posted January 7, 2017 David, sensible comment. Leica clearly has to make an offer that will encourage current M users to upgrade. Difficult to do it for those one step behind the curve, but more relevant for M8 and M9 users, where the M10 would be a transformative improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 7, 2017 Share #465 Posted January 7, 2017 David, sensible comment. Leica clearly has to make an offer that will encourage current M users to upgrade. Difficult to do it for those one step behind the curve, but more relevant for M8 and M9 users, where the M10 would be a transformative improvement. Chris, I don't think it's that difficult to do per se, but rather it's difficult to do without affecting other products within the range. Leica are in effect shackled by the specification of some of their own products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 7, 2017 Share #466 Posted January 7, 2017 David, sensible comment. Leica clearly has to make an offer that will encourage current M users to upgrade. Difficult to do it for those one step behind the curve, but more relevant for M8 and M9 users, where the M10 would be a transformative improvement. So long as said improvements are real improvements and not just features added for the sake of it ! Your "description" of the possible new M in the other thread did resonate with me though. It would still need to be pretty special for me to "upgrade" from my M9. I am seriously thinking of moving back to film, and even more so following the recent Kodak announcement. I guess we'll see in a couple of weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share #467 Posted January 7, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ian, interesting. I still have an M6, though can't see myself going back to film all the time I'm doing client work. Would you do your own E6 processing? What would you do about prints? Most of the pro labs have gone (any one from London remember Joe's Basement?). I can just about imagine doing black and white again. But colour? Not for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 7, 2017 Share #468 Posted January 7, 2017 There are a couple of labs in Brussels (I live mostly just outside Brussels at the moment), they process/print/scan. I would probably get my own scanner. But what I meant mainly with the comment about Kodak and film is that maybe, if the reintroduction is a success, they may follow up with other types, maybe even HIE - I've still/only got 8 or 9 left. Anyway, for me too, it would be mainly B/W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted January 7, 2017 Share #469 Posted January 7, 2017 Ian, interesting. I still have an M6, though can't see myself going back to film all the time I'm doing client work. Would you do your own E6 processing? What would you do about prints? Most of the pro labs have gone (any one from London remember Joe's Basement?). I can just about imagine doing black and white again. But colour? Not for me... I remember Joe's Basement (and I'm from the North West of England). I was in Leica Manchester yesterday and saw, in the display cabinet, a beautiful chrome, Leica M-A. What a wonderful camera; all I want is a digital version of the film M (similar dimensions) and I'll be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 7, 2017 Share #470 Posted January 7, 2017 I am going to keep my M(240) (and SL) and not buy an M10 because I don't need it. NOTICE!!!: I said I would not buy an M(240) because the M9 was perfectly fine. I said I would not buy an SL because I didn't really need an EVF and the M(240) was perfectly fine. Both of those promises were not kept. That says I do not have confidence in my Leica promises not to buy something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted January 7, 2017 Share #472 Posted January 7, 2017 I am going to keep my M(240) (and SL) and not buy an M10 because I don't need it. NOTICE!!!: I said I would not buy an M(240) because the M9 was perfectly fine. I said I would not buy an SL because I didn't relly need an EVF and the M(240) was perfectly fine. Both of those promises were not kept. That says I do not have confidence in my Leica promises not to buy something. We never had that coffee, Alan. I'm finding the temptation I need to resist is not Leica but Hasselblad, and to be honest, I've gone off the idea for now. Perhaps an X1D-100c ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 7, 2017 Share #473 Posted January 7, 2017 We never had that coffee, Alan. I'm finding the temptation I need to resist is not Leica but Hasselblad, and to be honest, I've gone off the idea for now. Perhaps an X1D-100c ... Yes John, you owe me a cup. That related to statement you made some time ago that you would never buy another Leica because what you had was perfect for your use. I am married to a psychiatrist. That means she is smart and that my awareness of my weaknesses is heightened. If I said such a thing to Barbara, she would burst out laughing. Hence, I no longer make promises not to buy anything. I only mention them in passing, as in "Leica is coming out with a new camera," to which she would likely respond, "Breaking the news?." So all promises about restraint and about "not needed" are now stifled because I know better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 7, 2017 Share #474 Posted January 7, 2017 I was just trying to convince myself ... Right now, I don't see a gap in what I have. I still feel I'm learning to use what I have already bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 7, 2017 Share #475 Posted January 7, 2017 [...] I still feel I'm learning to use what I have already bought. Typical false modesty to resist GAS. Time to prepare your checkbook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted January 8, 2017 Share #476 Posted January 8, 2017 I'm making a blind date. I ordered it. Blind. And although I can see that Leica will leave my pixel desires consistently unfulfilled. Pixel-optimistic I already my M240 sold last summer. After all, I had a SL and this A7RII. If Leica cannot give us more pixels because of the technical feasibility - a pity but limits of the M-System. But there must be some clear innovation in the core of the M-System (not the satelites MM, MD, 262, etc.). Only then would Leica remain true to the line of the house - at least from M5 onwards. Yes, an ISO wheel I find really good. Many times I had got into the conflict of shutter speed and ISO automatic, because confused with my own Settings. With a wheel, the manual ISO setting would be much closer to me. Slim as an M7 - well - beautiful. Hopefully there will not be any compromises in function ... But what else? Slightly faster image frequency without freezing - hopefully. Electronics instead of curtains? Oh yes - please - at least as with the SL! Operating logic and ergonomics - with Leica always better than with all others - further gradual optimization - gladly taken along. Finder-religions I don’t have. I can do both with a OVF and with EVF / Focus Peaking. For Nocti and M-Telyt 135, however, I prefer the SL. It’s a bit annoying, that even with the Leica M-SL adapter infinity is not exactly at the stop of the scale. No matter - ultimately, I am focusing with what I have in my hand. So - facing pixel restrictions - what can come to real progress? There must be something happening in the viewfinder! The most difficult challenge, however, seems to me to be less technical, rather than drifting customer wishes. Anyway - the camera, which can always go, no matter where, this is the M for me more than any other. The A7RII I can only use with a part of the M lenses. The SL is super, but for M-Glass compared with the M sometimes too much camera. Buy a second M240 now? No. I now just trust Leica that after 7 years of continuous (with all technical conservatism) noticeable improvement still will have some good news. But I could keep all this very short: I am 7 months without a M now. And i miss that sh ... thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share #477 Posted January 8, 2017 I think you might mean "I miss that f... thing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted January 8, 2017 Share #478 Posted January 8, 2017 eh - yessss! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 8, 2017 Share #479 Posted January 8, 2017 I am not buying any new technology while Trump is in power. Trump's inauguration ceremony is on 20 January, so that gives you two days after Leica's announcement to get the pre-order in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 8, 2017 Share #480 Posted January 8, 2017 About the hybrid finder,is it not a patent by Fuji,so no other companies can reproduce?Leica also has a 2015 patent for a hybrid OVF/EVF, with optoelectronic rangefinder.I don't know enough about Fuji's patent to describe how the two differ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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