keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1341 Posted January 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The moveable focus point on the SL is great - but it's really irritating that when you press the zoom button . . . it zooms into the middle, and not to the moveable focus point That does seem to be strange behaviour, but no doubt it could be changed with a FW update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmahto Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1342 Posted January 11, 2017 The moveable focus point on the SL is great - but it's really irritating that when you press the zoom button . . . it zooms into the middle, and not to the moveable focus point That is really irritating. If I want to zoom then I want to zoom where I am. Anybody (except UX guy) disagrees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobers Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1343 Posted January 11, 2017 It all looks very interesting. Those new shots seem to indicate that ISO starts at 100. I imagine the buttons have a long press and short press function. I really like the ISO wheel as I change ISO a lot and get annoyed that I can't see it without pressing a button and looking at the screen. Seeing it on the top plate is IDEAL. I too am interested in the viewfinder (still pure rangefinder, or with some fancy stuff) and the sensor. Shame our leaker can't give us a pic through the viewfinder. And seeing as the leaker has so many gorgeous cameras, how come his shots of this M10 are so crap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1344 Posted January 11, 2017 I forgot. No need for JPEGs either. Never shot any for years. FWIW I'd suggest that ISO is a red-herring, a left-over from film days. If a camera shoots RAW only 'gain' should be applied in software ...... I really don't like going with the flow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1345 Posted January 11, 2017 ...... If a camera shoots RAW only 'gain' should be applied in software .......... We had long discussion on the "ISOlessness" of M240. It seems that camera does some corrections to the green channel while applying 'gain'. If you do it yourself then be prepared to do the corrections yourself. Someone had supplied a LR plugin to do that. Search will reveal the details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vec Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1346 Posted January 11, 2017 FWIW I'd suggest that ISO is a red-herring, a left-over from film days. If a camera shoots RAW only 'gain' should be applied in software ...... The idea that you're digitizing the raw sensor output isn't reality. There are hardware amplifiers (not just software) in the chain to get the sensor reading into the sweet spot of the ADC. The output of the ADC is the raw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1347 Posted January 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) ............. I really don't like going with the flow. My congratulations to you for being able to identify what the flow is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1348 Posted January 11, 2017 The idea that you're digitizing the raw sensor output isn't reality. There are hardware amplifiers (not just software) in the chain to get the sensor reading into the sweet spot of the ADC. The output of the ADC is the raw. Well, whilst I cannot disagree because I do not understand the details, my own testing/experience is that whilst ETTR doesn't deliver as it was suggested it should, using only base ISO and adjusting using software can be surprisingly effective. Just my way of operating though, doubtless others will not have had the same experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1349 Posted January 11, 2017 My congratulations to you for being able to identify what the flow is. Well Peter I suppose it depends on where you join the discussion. Currently (not a pun, honest) its about switchgear controlling stuff I see as irrelevant. No doubt this will change after a few more pages though . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1350 Posted January 11, 2017 Well Peter I suppose it depends on where you join the discussion. Currently (not a pun, honest) its about switchgear controlling stuff I see as irrelevant. No doubt this will change after a few more pages though . Well, there's no pleasing everyone. Some people don't want a screen on the back and some want a bigger screen. Some people would like a camera that can't make colour photos, some care more about what colour the camera is. And so on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1351 Posted January 11, 2017 And seeing as the leaker has so many gorgeous cameras, how come his shots of this M10 are so crap? This is the nature of leak photos or alien UFO videos. You can't have HD quality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollisd Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1352 Posted January 11, 2017 Please pass me the black duct tape.... Gaffer tape I hope you mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1353 Posted January 11, 2017 My most hated cameras are the Sony A7 with its C1-C3 programmable buttons...These "Custom" modes are very helpful on DSLRs, and I use them to switch between significantly different camera configurations when different shooting situations present themselves.However, the is because my DSLR has highly automated metering and focus and, like your Sony, is "over-featured". The entire premise of an M is sophisticated simplicity: everything you need, and nothing more. So I agree with you that the need for something like programmable controls on an M would suggest that the camera has itself become "over-featured". The ISO dial, on the other hand, is a great idea. It means that one can see and control all the important shooting parameters at an instant, just glancing down on the camera from above. In changing light conditions, I do tweak the ISO to get it as low as possible, so it is a parameter that I would find useful on a dial rather needing to use the LCD for changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1354 Posted January 11, 2017 ....................... The ISO dial, on the other hand, is a great idea. It means that one can see and control all the important shooting parameters at an instant, just glancing down on the camera from above. In changing light conditions, I do tweak the ISO to get it as low as possible, so it is a parameter that I would find useful on a dial rather needing to use the LCD for changes. Doesn't the substantial dispute in this respect concern the question of whether the iso setting on a digital camera is in fact a shooting parameter? If it is, the dial is a good idea. If it isn't, it's not. This is especially pertinent in the case of a predominantly OVF camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1355 Posted January 11, 2017 Wife told me to wait for a safari version, than we'll share it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1356 Posted January 11, 2017 Doesn't the substantial dispute in this respect concern the question of whether the iso setting on a digital camera is in fact a shooting parameter? If it is, the dial is a good idea. If it isn't, it's not. This is especially pertinent in the case of a predominantly OVF camera. It certainly is if you are shooting jpegs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1357 Posted January 11, 2017 It certainly is if you are shooting jpegs. True. So is it really a jpeg dial? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1358 Posted January 11, 2017 Leica often has an additional surprise up its sleeve at events like this My french dealer announces only "une nouveauté" (one novelty). FWIW. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266426-leica-m-10/?do=findComment&comment=3184271'>More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1359 Posted January 11, 2017 This is the nature of leak photos or alien UFO videos. You can't have HD quality Something tells me that these leaks are very deliberate in what they reveal. Keep the buzz going, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 11, 2017 Share #1360 Posted January 11, 2017 And seeing as the leaker has so many gorgeous cameras, how come his shots of this M10 are so crap? A crap photographer is a crap photographer no matter many gorgeous cameras (s)he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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