IkarusJohn Posted December 19, 2016 Share #461 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It might be true if 'we' means persons of our generation. It is daunting to consider that middle-class youth have read little hard copy. In the USA something like 70% of the colleges use electronic textbooks, and the rest plan to follow - for better or worse. I have too much to say about this for a post, so I'll leave it at that.Traditionally, lawyers would submit their evidence, authorities and submissions to court and arbitration in hardcopy. With computers, the volume of paper exploded - volumes and volumes of Eastlight folders. A total pain. Court and arbitrators have battled this for years (one inventive rule, counsel could only rely on material expressly referred to in submission and marked as such - the rest ignored). At one stage the Privy Council limited submissions to 50 pages. These days, I ask all submissions to be electronic. Where once I would need more than one flight bag or wheelie bag to carry the material for one arbitration, I can access all the material in multiple arbitrations, leading texts and access all authorities from my iPad. Sure, flicking from page to page is easier in hard copy, but the sheer volume of material has got out of hand. Trashy holiday novels, and Scandanavian crime, read on my iPad. Man Booker prize winners, hardcopy every time. Edited December 19, 2016 by IkarusJohn 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted December 19, 2016 Share #462 Posted December 19, 2016 If you search you will see that there are a variety of studies some of which have been specifically aimed a schools. Its not a generational thing. It is not only a generational thing. I am retired from academe. If you wish an academic discussion with citations, please look elsewhere. I'm going for a walk and a beer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted December 19, 2016 Share #463 Posted December 19, 2016 And many people think the best way to manually focus an M lens is on an SL body. We live in interesting times, and we have be warned! And it is true, imho. As well for R-lenses Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 19, 2016 Share #464 Posted December 19, 2016 And it is true, imho. As well for R-lenses I don't dispute it. But I would like the M to be the best platform for M lenses unless and until it simply isn't possible any more. I can't define beyond argument what "best" means, but I do think it ought to include ease of focussing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 19, 2016 Share #465 Posted December 19, 2016 It will, Peter. Sure, there will always be things that the SL will do better than the M, regardless which lens is mounted. But, for stills photography in the range of M lenses using the rangefinder, the next M iteration will be at least as good as the SL - not so much for video, AF :-) and other things requiring the excellent EVF ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 19, 2016 Share #466 Posted December 19, 2016 I focus faster manual lenses in RF mode personally. Leica will change nothing to that as long as my eyesight holds up hopefully. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted December 19, 2016 Share #467 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I focus faster manual lenses in RF mode personally. Leica will change nothing to that as long as my eyesight holds up hopefully. ...and consider the difference between an M 50 mm lens and the SL AF equivalent! Small, light, discreet. I can remember the shock of getting my first M6 and a 35 cron after years of using Canon 1n and 1v bodies with L series primes. It was SO SMALL!I for one am looking forward to the next M so long as it enables me to do what I do better. If it doesn't, I won't buy it as the M 240 is pretty damn good. Edited December 19, 2016 by chris_tribble 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted December 19, 2016 Share #468 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Will M10 be only thinner (than M240) or substantially lighter as well? Paired with 28 elmarit ASPH it will be a great hiking camera. Edited December 19, 2016 by jmahto 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 19, 2016 Share #469 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) If you search you will see that there are a variety of studies some of which have been specifically aimed a schools. Its not a generational thing. These studies are pretty meaningless ............. to put it simply kids will not pick up a book over their electronic/digital devices. So they learn better on a electronic device as they have dismissed the hard printed copy. Pretty much the same as they dismiss a camera over a smartphone. Edited December 19, 2016 by Imants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 19, 2016 Share #470 Posted December 19, 2016 Will M10 be only thinner (than M240) or substantially lighter as well? Paired with 28 elmarit ASPH it will be a great hiking camera. If it's both smaller and lighter it will be a very nice camera to take out with just the one lens. My choice would be a 35mm Summicron but that's where the personal choices come in. Once you start loading up a bag with multiple lenses though, I think it undermines that lovely simplicity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 19, 2016 Share #471 Posted December 19, 2016 If it's both smaller and lighter it will be a very nice camera to take out with just the one lens. My choice would be a 35mm Summicron but that's where the personal choices come in. Once you start loading up a bag with multiple lenses though, I think it undermines that lovely simplicity. Take an extra lens, then another, then a spare back, an alternative back ... head in hands. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 19, 2016 Share #472 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Will M10 be only thinner (than M240) or substantially lighter as well? Paired with 28 elmarit ASPH it will be a great hiking camera Don't know................ to me if it feels right in the hand unlike the M240 I will buy one if not I will pass. Not much use in spending money on something that doesn't feel right. See link on why I use the Fuiji X-E2 over a Leica, focusing manual lenses via focus peak is something that I got used to though I do prefer a rangefinder system as jumping to electronic viewing can be a bit disconcerting. ps My Epson RD1 and M8 are for black and white work though the M8 is a bit cantankerous so it gets little use pps I wish they would get rid of the hotshoe link http://www.etrouko.com/compare.jpg Edited December 19, 2016 by Imants Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 19, 2016 Share #473 Posted December 19, 2016 Take an extra lens, then another, then a spare back, an alternative back ... head in hands. Constraints are often the greatest spur to creativity aren't they? Yet very often undervalued. I wonder whether there's an inverse correlation between the amount we spend on our gear and how creative we are in its use. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 19, 2016 Share #474 Posted December 19, 2016 Constraints are often the greatest spur to creativity aren't they? That is a bit of a myth as it is really called "making do with what one has" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 19, 2016 Share #475 Posted December 19, 2016 That is a bit of a myth as it is really called "making do with what one has" I don't think it's a myth because if that though. Plenty of artists are at their most creative when they have the fewest resources, don't you think? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted December 19, 2016 Share #476 Posted December 19, 2016 Take an extra lens, then another, then a spare back, an alternative back ... head in hands. Actually my preference will be M10+28almaritASPH+40summicron-C+90macro-elmar. <= 3lb with extra battery (guessing based on M240 weight). What a light package! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert E Posted December 19, 2016 Share #477 Posted December 19, 2016 The biggest problem with the M240, or any of the M family, is you never know if your range finder focusing is a little off until it is too late. Using the EVF on the M is defeating the purpose of having a range finder camera in the first place. I know, been there, done that with the M8, M9 and M240. Never knowing if your focus mechanical mechanism was bumped or some other reason for it being off spot, until you get home and look at your out of focus photos, realizing it's too late. That's why I sold mine and got the SL. Easiest camera to use with M or R lenses and know your focusing is spot on. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 19, 2016 Share #478 Posted December 19, 2016 <snip> I wonder whether there's an inverse correlation between the amount we spend on our gear and how creative we are in its use. If there was, then it would be possible to measure creativity in cash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 19, 2016 Share #479 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Reducing resources does not equate to creativity using a couple of sharp chisels beats a blunt one . Using extra gear for the sake of it does nothing as well ps here a take of the Scottish Highlands in Tasmania my two new steers they are both miniatures and won't grow beyond chest height .... the M10???? http://www.etrouko.com/newhighlanders.jpg Edited December 19, 2016 by Imants Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 19, 2016 Share #480 Posted December 19, 2016 If there was, then it would be possible to measure creativity in cash. Meaning what? One who spends the least and creates the most is the winner? I see a swamp bog ahead. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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