Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted December 8, 2016 Share #261 Posted December 8, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Rumors site says the M10 will be announced on January 18, 2017. Jeff lets hope there correct and we can enjoy 36 megabytes [emoji7][emoji7] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter H Posted December 8, 2016 Share #262 Posted December 8, 2016 The Rumors site says the M10 will be announced on January 18, 2017. Jeff Because of the putative name, I still wonder whether the M10 is a successor to the M9 rather than the M 240, implying a parallel evolution of two M lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 8, 2016 Share #263 Posted December 8, 2016 lets hope there correct and we can enjoy 36 megabytes [emoji7][emoji7] Actually someone expressed the same sentiment in the comments section, and Rumors Admin replied by saying that they very much doubt it, and expect 24MP like the current M and SL. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted December 8, 2016 Share #264 Posted December 8, 2016 Actually someone expressed the same sentiment in the comments section, and Rumors Admin replied by saying that they very much doubt it, and expect 24MP like the current M and SL. Jeff It doesn't make sense seeing as Sony make the sencer for Leica and the 36 megabytes sensor has been out for a few years already [emoji30][emoji30] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 8, 2016 Share #265 Posted December 8, 2016 It doesn't make sense seeing as Sony make the sencer for Leica and the 36 megabytes sensor has been out for a few years already [emoji30][emoji30] Maybe your logic, but not Leica logic, which often beats to a different drum.....otherwise the S would already have 50MP like the Sony sensor in the 645Z (or in the forthcoming X1D and GFX). Also can't forget lenses as part of the IQ equation. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted December 8, 2016 Share #266 Posted December 8, 2016 A google translation of the latest Leica Academy Schedule tells the following about the M (I suppose its the upcoming one): "For decades Leica M has perfected the use of the latest measuring technology, combined with the innovative possibilities of modern digital technology. This workshop with the Leica M is therefore a very special celebration for the established Leica community of the M fans and those who want to become one. The M is equipped with a 24-megapixel high-resolution CMOS sensor, which together with its high-performance processor and the legendary M lenses achieve outstanding image results. With live view, video and new additional focusing methods, it is also the M for all who want to do without anything modern camera technology offers. Whatever appeals you with rangefinder photography." Looks very much like the same sensor as for the SL or Q and Maestro II. The only remaining question is what is the meaning of "new additional focusing methods"? Regards Steve PS: edited the last sentence of the google translation which did not mentioned "Messsucher"= rangefinder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 8, 2016 Share #267 Posted December 8, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's the M240 no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted December 8, 2016 Share #268 Posted December 8, 2016 It's the M240 no? I do not know. I do not have the description of the old Leica Academy Schedule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted December 8, 2016 Share #269 Posted December 8, 2016 After using the SL with M glass I've had a hard time going back to the M240/246. For film the M is amazing, for digital I feel like it's a shape that isn't overly well suited. The M10 is going to have to bring a lot to the table (dual card slots, much better metering, wi-fi) to steer me off replacing my M246 with an SL very soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted December 8, 2016 Share #270 Posted December 8, 2016 It doesn't make sense seeing as Sony make the sencer for Leica and the 36 megabytes sensor has been out for a few years already [emoji30][emoji30] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No The 240 sensor is made by CMOSIS The Q sensor is made by Panasonic And the rumour is the SL uses the same sensor as the Q We don't know who Leica will pick for the M280, its all very exciting Also I have no idea why people are saying M10, even though the silly rumours site said it. Firstly Leica said that they have moved away from that designation and secondly in any event it would be the M11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted December 8, 2016 Share #271 Posted December 8, 2016 No The 240 sensor is made by CMOSIS The Q sensor is made by Panasonic And the rumour is the SL uses the same sensor as the Q We don't know who Leica will pick for the M280, its all very exciting Also I have no idea why people are saying M10, even though the silly rumours site said it. Firstly Leica said that they have moved away from that designation and secondly in any event it would be the M11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP1 Posted December 8, 2016 Share #272 Posted December 8, 2016 Also I have no idea why people are saying M10, even though the silly rumours site said it. Because it is no rumours but an official document:FCC filing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 8, 2016 Share #273 Posted December 8, 2016 It doesn't make sense seeing as Sony make the sencer for Leica and the 36 megabytes sensor has been out for a few years already [emoji30][emoji30] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Leica does use Sony sensors in some cameras, but not in the Q, SL or M as Sony does not produce sensors that are suitable for those cameras. Actually one of Leica's first stops when shopping around for the M240 was Sony, but they were unable to meet the parameters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 8, 2016 Share #274 Posted December 8, 2016 Rather than M* where * indicates a new model, perhaps Leica could name their models after dinosaurs in the order of their creation. Such would bring new opportunities for engravings and coverings, the last of which would be feathered. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 8, 2016 Share #275 Posted December 8, 2016 Despite filing the patent on a new method of combined opto-digital RF focussing the camera pics show no signs of the sensors on the front of the body to implement it ...... so I assume it was ditched. No changes to the mount to allow AF lens use or anything revolutionary ....... just an ISO dial ........ so it is hard to see what Leica have been doing for 3 years...... particularly if they just shoehorn the electronics and sensor from the Q/SL into a slightly slimmer body. Perhaps the focus roller on the lens flange now actuates something electronic instead of mechanical ...... and there is a hybrid VF so you don't need a crappy add on one .... and a better/higher resolution sensor. Anything less and I cannot see me being interested ....... particularly with the SL and Q doing things so well. I suppose it all depends whether Leica want the M to stay as an evolving iconic brand ...... or just a bridge with the past to keep the 'old school' photographers happy ...... .... a bit like a nice old vintage manual runabout you use on nice weekends ....... but drive a safe, sensible, automatic comfortable car the rest of the time .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 8, 2016 Share #276 Posted December 8, 2016 Despite filing the patent on a new method of combined opto-digital RF focussing the camera pics show no signs of the sensors on the front of the body to implement it ...... so I assume it was ditched. No changes to the mount to allow AF lens use or anything revolutionary ....... just an ISO dial ........ so it is hard to see what Leica have been doing for 3 years...... particularly if they just shoehorn the electronics and sensor from the Q/SL into a slightly slimmer body. Perhaps the focus roller on the lens flange now actuates something electronic instead of mechanical ...... and there is a hybrid VF so you don't need a crappy add on one .... and a better/higher resolution sensor. Anything less and I cannot see me being interested ....... particularly with the SL and Q doing things so well. I suppose it all depends whether Leica want the M to stay as an evolving iconic brand ...... or just a bridge with the past to keep the 'old school' photographers happy ...... .... a bit like a nice old vintage manual runabout you use on nice weekends ....... but drive a safe, sensible, automatic comfortable car the rest of the time .... Or maybe it's not the only M in the works. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 8, 2016 Share #277 Posted December 8, 2016 Despite filing the patent on a new method of combined opto-digital RF focussing the camera pics show no signs of the sensors on the front of the body to implement it ... The patent does not call for sensors in front of the body but for two small cameras in the body, about where the two windows of the traditional rangefinder are located. Since such cameras can be quite small (look at the one built into your phone) those two cameras could lurk behind the two glass panes in front of the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 9, 2016 Share #278 Posted December 9, 2016 .. so it is hard to see what Leica have been doing for 3 years... Selling satisfactory numbers of M cameras? I have a strong suspicion that apart from (minor) refinements there is little left to improve on the current M and stay true to the concept. Most of the suggestions I read in this thread are better implemented in other models. The SL mount for instance is far better suited to AF lenses than any modification of the M mount could ever be. An integrated EVF like the Q or SL will always be a generation ahead of an external model. IBIS is virtually impossible to fit into the legacy M body. A more modern design can allow it. The list is long... Even a diopter adjustment is difficult on a legacy range/viewfinder, but simple on a system designed from the ground up, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted December 9, 2016 Share #279 Posted December 9, 2016 Don't tell me all these stoopidly called "M-typ" cameras were simply various M9 incarnations? Now we'll be entering another round of "M-typ" confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted December 9, 2016 Share #280 Posted December 9, 2016 Selling satisfactory numbers of M cameras? I have a strong suspicion that apart from (minor) refinements there is little left to improve on the current M and stay true to the concept. Most of the suggestions I read in this thread are better implemented in other models. The SL mount for instance is far better suited to AF lenses than any modification of the M mount could ever be. An integrated EVF like the Q or SL will always be a generation ahead of an external model. IBIS is virtually impossible to fit into the legacy M body. A more modern design can allow it. The list is long... Even a diopter adjustment is difficult on a legacy range/viewfinder, but simple on a system designed from the ground up, etc. All the present and past digital M are sluggish, to say the least. Just make the M10 normally responsive is all I would be asking. Anything up to now has been a JOKE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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