imants Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1741 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica are involved with smartphones, instant film and the SL etc smart moves the traditional M brigade is not their future consumers they knew that the M had a limited appeal in the digital age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edwardkaraa Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1742 Posted January 16, 2017 Well , we are Leica's business and no one know's us better then us. And what's good for us should be good for them We're just a bunch of grumpy old men with weird demands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1743 Posted January 16, 2017 3 more days. Can't wait to see the next dramatic moment in the sequence M8 - M9 - M10. CCD sensor 24MP or better still 36MP offering superlative low light performance. No EVF. Opto-electronic view finder (OEVF), either within the main housing or as an add-on via the hot shoe (it can be super slim and not a hump). LV is a button to switch from pure rangefinder to the OEVF enhanced image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1744 Posted January 16, 2017 Millenials Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1745 Posted January 16, 2017 3 more days. Can't wait to see the next dramatic moment in the sequence M8 - M9 - M10. CCD sensor 24MP or better still 36MP offering superlative low light performance. No EVF. Opto-electronic view finder (OEVF), either within the main housing or as an add-on via the hot shoe (it can be super slim and not a hump). LV is a button to switch from pure rangefinder to the OEVF enhanced image. Dear Ramchand... way off on all speculations I'm afraid. The CCD sensor will not do as you wish. There will be no hybrid finder OVF/EV except by looking through a different "hole". all best, but keep hoping... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1746 Posted January 16, 2017 Boomers mate, boomers and for now and for a few more years it's our world Gen X can't afford a Leica , and the millenials would not even know what to do with them Well, I'm technically Gen X. In fact, from my own observations, we are the current most important M clientele. The boomers have too poor eyesight and lost all their money in the stock market The millenials however can use an M as a hipster fashion accessory though I agree they don't really know what to do with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1747 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am part of Gen X, and I can tell you that I see a lot of millennial at the bargain camera show I attend every now and then. Many of these young people shoot film again with old Minoltas, Pentax, Canons etc. They know exactly what a Leica is, and they love how it looks and feels, and I can tell you right now that when they start making enough money to buy one, they will be the next wave of clients. The beauty of a Leica is timeless, and it doesn't take a mainstream following to keep the company profitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1748 Posted January 16, 2017 LV is a button to switch from pure rangefinder to the OEVF enhanced image. That would be awesome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1749 Posted January 16, 2017 Dear Ramchand... way off on all speculations I'm afraid. The CCD sensor will not do as you wish. There will be no hybrid finder OVF/EV except by looking through a different "hole". all best, but keep hoping... Why not David? The patent Leica has filed is for a pair of rangefinders coupled via electronics and this design should be independent of the sensor being used - CCD or CMOS. Hence my speculation is that the M10 will use a CCD sensor of which there are already production 24 and 32MP Dalsa versions from Teledyne, and a 36MP may not be a stretch. In fact such an OEVF could possibly be implemented, I think as a slim hot shoe add-on, keeping the price of the M10 at USD 7K and the OVED adding another 1-2K. And this could be a brilliant implementation as customers can be offered bodies with either CCD or CMOS sensors, like film options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1750 Posted January 16, 2017 I'm betting on slightly slimmer body, aluminium top-plate, weight reduction, same battery EV improved and to fit in the accessory-hot shoe...an extra add-on cost same rangefinder viewfinder...no hybrid viewfinder ISO dial new sensor, one stop extra with new processor video will be a bit better, and will be available same front button for magnified focusing same price as existing M typ 240, same long time to fill orders These are the "surprises", and the new M10. Nothing else.So for the price of two used M240s, you get a slightly lighter, slighty better M240 that allows you to buy a good accessory EVF?If that's the value proposition, I'd take the two used M240s (actually an M240 & M246) over the M10. But I don't think that's the full value proposition that will be on offer. My bet is that Leica's got something else up its sleave, something starting with "hybrid" and ending in "-angefinder". Either way, Wednesday's going to be very interesting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1751 Posted January 16, 2017 Either way, Wednesday's going to be very interesting! Really ? High expectations bring often to high disappointments.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1752 Posted January 16, 2017 Really ? High expectations bring often to high disappointments.... Yes. I will find Leica's product decision-making interesting no matter what they offer. That doesn't mean that I would see sufficient value in a "slightly better M240" to warrant buying one new, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyros Moutsouris Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1753 Posted January 16, 2017 it kills the idea of weather proof camera This doesn't look detachable Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266426-leica-m-10/?do=findComment&comment=3187199'>More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1754 Posted January 16, 2017 Boomers mate, boomers and for now and for a few more years it's our world Gen X can't afford a Leica , and the millenials would not even know what to do with them Well, I for one try and convince young people to use Leica . Being born in the 1980:s I also belong to the "younger" generation using Leicas. Here is my 4.5year learning how to shot video on the Monochrome :D : Her first "Leica" should of course be the Sofort instant camera, then we will move on to the Minolta CLE (for weight reasons and to learn with film) before entering the realm of Digital M:s :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1755 Posted January 16, 2017 it kills the idea of weather proof camera The Apple Watch 2 is water proof without having to remove or open any part to charge it. You can charge it by contact only. All this is pure speculation anyway. [emoji848] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1756 Posted January 16, 2017 We're just a bunch of grumpy old men with weird demands Have you been talking to my wife? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1757 Posted January 16, 2017 I seriously hope that Leica has a better idea of what its chosen market wants than is represented by this Leica forum. We are largely US and anglophone European users, and I agree a large proportion are probably in the baby boomer bracket. If Leica sees us as its future market, then they have trouble ahead. All the signs, however, are that they fully understand the strength of the new economies, particularly in East Asia where buyers are also younger, which are barely represented here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1758 Posted January 16, 2017 I like the simplicity (compared to the M240) of the M10. I hate the movie button, the many "direct" control buttons at the back, the single-continuous-self timer ring, the holes for the microphone, the EVF port at the back... the fat body... I see the M240 as a frankenstein rangefinder camera. A bit ugly, too complex. And the EVF is not good enough, the video is not good enough, the interface is not good enough. The M10 seems to be a correction of those mistakes: classical rangefinder, thinner, simpler. It could have been more radical and coherent, but it is a change in the right direction. I don't deny the necessity or convenience of movie, EVF, lighter bodies (without baseplate), etc. But the lesson of the M240 was this: you cannot get all in just one body. You ruin the classical rangefinder and don't get the "modern" versatile camera instead. Most people looking for a classical rangefinder are not interested in video or even in EVFs or liveview. No problem if those "features" are not compromising the core values of the system (small size, simplicity, focus on the essential). And many people may be interested in the M system (quality, size) but not in the rangefinder and optical viewfinder. For many of us this sounds strange but digital technology opens new possibilities. My bet is Leica is preparing the bifurcation of the M system in two types of cameras: the classical rangefinder and a different EVF based M mount camera with a different approach for a different public. The M10 seems to be the first step: the classical camera. We will see the black and white model, the M-D model, etc. based on the same body. And then they will offer a different camera with M mount (and manual focus lenses) for people asking for EVFs, movie options, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1759 Posted January 16, 2017 Yes, but if they would indeed contemplate the bifurcation of the M system, they will drive away those users that refuse to carry multiple cameras, losing sales to (they hope) other Leica system cameras, but mostly to other brands. I think the niche of a "pure"M camera will be too small to carry a reasonably priced camera. I think such a move would be the beginning of the end of the classic M camera, at best it would survive as an occasional special edition at special edition prices. I am moving away from Leica for my wildlife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1760 Posted January 16, 2017 I quite agree, but I cannot see how adding or leaving off video functionality could affect stills quality. There must be a video feed for the LCD anyway. When Nikon introduced the Df (No video, with Live View) with the identical sensor from their D4 (with video and LV) Nikon Nordic NPS stated that the still images from the Df where better quality and this was due to omitting the video capability from the sensor board. I found out about this after we did comparison images. So I would think this could be the case for the M10 vs. SL as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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