LocalHero1953 Posted November 5, 2016 Share #21 Posted November 5, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use both the M240 and the X-Pro 2. For me the exposure compensation on the M240 is slow and clunky. I have the front button disabled. I prefer, however, to make the exposure decision as I walk towards a subject and for that the X-Pro 2 system is much faster and much more intuitive. I would prefer that system on a Leica M. It is also easier to use with the camera to my eye. My personal preferences, of course, but I have never liked the system on the M240. William I'm still puzzled. What is difficult about EC on the M240? Hold it to the eye and dial in the value. No buttons to press (assuming you've enabled direct EC). Or do you mean you want to dial it in before you hold it to the eye? What does the Fuji do differently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 Hi LocalHero1953, Take a look here I hate the exposure compensation button!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
willeica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #22 Posted November 5, 2016 I'm still puzzled. What is difficult about EC on the M240? Hold it to the eye and dial in the value. No buttons to press (assuming you've enabled direct EC). Or do you mean you want to dial it in before you hold it to the eye? What does the Fuji do differently? I have to remember which way to turn it and there is no exposure scale to show where the exposure currently sits. In addition with the X-Pro 2 , I can make adjustments before putting the camera to my eye. This is all personal but, I know which one I prefer. Some of this probably comes from the fact that I regularly use old LTM models where the adjustments are made before raising the camera to my eye. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #23 Posted November 5, 2016 Just one more point, I have actually missed shots by fiddling around with the exposure compensation on the M240. I now just shoot first and make adjustments in Lightroom. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #24 Posted November 5, 2016 Well you can use EV Bracketing, or you can just turn your Aperture dial!! If you prefer the Fuji way, close the door on your way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #25 Posted November 5, 2016 X-Pro 2: "Rotate the exposure compensation dial to adjust exposure when photographing very bright, very dark, or high-contrast subjects.". The compensation factor is displayed in the VF. M: Rotate the exposure compensation dial to adjust exposure when photographing very bright, very dark, or high-contrast subjects. The compensation factor is displayed in the RF. The only difference I can see is that the X-Pro 2 lacks an RF but has an EVF. Hence, it will show some kind of approximation of the altered exposure. If you prefer having an EVF or even an VF, choose a camera with that kind of feature, and if you prefer having an RF, use that. Each option has its consequences. See my other posts above. This is all about ergonomics. The M240 shows 'Casio like' single numbers and you have to remember which way to turn the dial, whereas the X-Pro 2 shows a scale and has a marked dial to make adjustments without the camera to your eye. For me it is like night and day and the Fujifilm system is far faster to use. The fact that different photographers have different ergonomic preferences should not be surprising. My preferences may derive from the fact that I use older Leicas a lot. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #26 Posted November 5, 2016 Well you can use EV Bracketing, or you can just turn your Aperture dial!! If you prefer the Fuji way, close the door on your way out. This sounds like the 'politics of the playground'. This is not football fandom either; just a supposedly mature discussion on camera ergonomics. I have no intention of leaving Leica as I have a large collection of old Leicas dating back to 1926 and I am a member of the UK Leica Society and the LHSA and have written articles about vintage Leicas in both society's magazines. My interest in Leica is clear and unwavering, but if I feel that the company can do something better, I will say so. No pomposity was involved in the making of this post. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted November 5, 2016 Share #27 Posted November 5, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Every time I have to push the camera against my nose or forehead to use the exposure compensation! Anyone agree with me? No... I've had too many cameras to get angry because it just doesn't suit. Try holding or using it another way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #28 Posted November 5, 2016 This sounds like the 'politics of the playground'. This is not football fandom either; just a supposedly mature discussion on camera ergonomics. I have no intention of leaving Leica as I have a large collection of old Leicas dating back to 1926 and I am a member of the UK Leica Society and the LHSA and have written articles about vintage Leicas in both society's magazines. My interest in Leica is clear and unwavering, but if I feel that the company can do something better, I will say so. No pomposity was involved in the making of this post. William Having sussed out the EV controls etc. I can honestly say it causes me no issues.. I tend to study the products I intend to purchase, asking questions etc..I'm happier that the camera has less dials.. Regards, L Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted November 5, 2016 Share #29 Posted November 5, 2016 I've just gone to FF images. But I did my homework and knew what to expect. Some of my lenses are not so good, and corner corrections were expected. The camera is much heavier. If it wasn't for live view with the M-P, I'd stick with my M8's, but the FF experience is new, and something to get used to. So far a new and exciting adventure. It's a nice camera. No better than the M8 for what it could do also. cheers.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 5, 2016 Share #30 Posted November 5, 2016 This sounds like the 'politics of the playground'. This is not football fandom either; just a supposedly mature discussion on camera ergonomics. I have no intention of leaving Leica as I have a large collection of old Leicas dating back to 1926 and I am a member of the UK Leica Society and the LHSA and have written articles about vintage Leicas in both society's magazines. My interest in Leica is clear and unwavering, but if I feel that the company can do something better, I will say so. No pomposity was involved in the making of this post. William I have an XPro 2 (which is a fantastic camera from which Leica could learn a lot) and an M240. I find EC very marginally easier on the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted November 5, 2016 Share #31 Posted November 5, 2016 I always dial in EC before bringing the camera up to my eye. What's so difficult about it? Turn right for positive compensation, left for negative, and each click is 1/3 stop. If someone can't remember that, sorry to say that, but using a camera is the least of their worries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 5, 2016 Share #32 Posted November 5, 2016 THE M240 EXPOSURE COMPENSATION STORY Let's remember that when the M was introduced, users had to press the front button #3 and turn the dial. Edward complained about this vociferously. Edward loves his EC. The beta testers heard him and asked Leica to change it in the next beta-firmware update. Leica listened, and one of the beta-firmware updates we tested (after the camera was introduced) changed the operation of the camera so EC could be accessed by turning the wheel only, without having to hold down the front button #3. So, comparatively, I LOVE EXPOSURE COMPENSATION OPERATION. And, Edward lived happily ever after. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2016 Share #33 Posted November 5, 2016 I use both the M240 and the X-Pro 2. For me the exposure compensation on the M240 is slow and clunky. I have the front button disabled. I prefer, however, to make the exposure decision as I walk towards a subject and for that the X-Pro 2 system is much faster and much more intuitive. I would prefer that system on a Leica M. It is also easier to use with the camera to my eye. My personal preferences, of course, but I have never liked the system on the M240. William What is slow about twirling the thumbwheel??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted November 5, 2016 Share #34 Posted November 5, 2016 THE M240 EXPOSURE COMPENSATION STORY Let's remember that when the M was introduced, users had to press the front button #3 and turn the dial. Edward complained about this vociferously. Edward loves his EC. The beta testers heard him and asked Leica to change it in the next beta-firmware update. Leica listened, and one of the beta-firmware updates we tested (after the camera was introduced) changed the operation of the camera so EC could be accessed by turning the wheel only, without having to hold down the front button #3. So, comparatively, I LOVE EXPOSURE COMPENSATION OPERATION. And, Edward lived happily ever after. Rick I wasn't aware I was so influential in getting the EC operation modified. Suddenly I'm feeling very important Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted November 5, 2016 Share #35 Posted November 5, 2016 What is slow about twirling the thumbwheel??? I first have to decide which way to twirl the thumbwheel holding the camera to my eye and by how much. With the other system I already have this done by the time I raise the camera to my eye. The former is not good for me, whereas the latter suits me just fine and is much quicker. It may be different for you and for others, but I can only say how it works for me. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 6, 2016 Share #36 Posted November 6, 2016 Yes i too prefer normal cameras like my A7s mod, X-E2 and LX100. All have more or less the same EC dial which allows to check or change EV w/o having to chimp or to use the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 6, 2016 Share #37 Posted November 6, 2016 I first have to decide which way to twirl the thumbwheel holding the camera to my eye and by how much. With the other system I already have this done by the time I raise the camera to my eye. The former is not good for me, whereas the latter suits me just fine and is much quicker. It may be different for you and for others, but I can only say how it works for me. William Well, actually I utterly dislike EV comp in general. I find it imprecise as the amount of compensation is just an educated guess. I simply flick the camera to manual. Auto-ISO disabled and spot metering, of course . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted November 6, 2016 Share #38 Posted November 6, 2016 I first have to decide which way to twirl the thumbwheel holding the camera to my eye and by how much. With the other system I already have this done by the time I raise the camera to my eye. The former is not good for me, whereas the latter suits me just fine and is much quicker. It may be different for you and for others, but I can only say how it works for me. William Well that's right. Every system is different, Some suit the user better than others. If it's a deal-breaker, go back to your other system. cheers.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted November 6, 2016 Share #39 Posted November 6, 2016 Well that's right. Every system is different, Some suit the user better than others. If it's a deal-breaker, go back to your other system. cheers.. willeica got most upset when I indicted that thought. No camera system is perfect for every user. We adapt or move on. I found the D-Lux4 a great camera, but I could not gel with it, sold it & moved on..hatred never even entered my thoughts..L Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted November 6, 2016 Share #40 Posted November 6, 2016 Is it safe to assume that we are talking about EC while on automatic shutter speed? If so, you look at the scene, predict what the meter will do, decide it will be off by X stops, set EC to +/- X. Is this really easier than setting a manual shutter speed? How do the necessary skills and experience differ between the two methods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.