Stonewall Brigade Posted November 8, 2016 Share #21 Posted November 8, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the new M262 and love it. I moved from the Fuji X-T1, X-Pro1 and X-Pro2, and also the Olympus OM-D EM 1. Those cameras had 4 and 5 stop image stabilization, auto focus, auto everything, live view on the camera back, and auto sensor dust cleaning. At first I feared losing all of those auto features would increase my number of photographs that were not sharply focused, or had camera shake. In reality, my Leica images are all super sharp (even more than I was getting with Fuji and Olympus). No camera shake and no need for image stabilization. My M262 has a large full frame sensor that can better handle cropping the final image, and raising the ISO in low light to compensate for slow shutter speeds. I do get some auto white balance results that can be too warm, but I have learned how to correct for that with a gray card. My only remaining "complaint" which can be fixed once I buy some wet sensor cleaning products, is to keep sensor dust away. My M262 never disappoints and the focus is always super sharp in the final DNG image, even if I wasn't exactly sure when I took the photo. The camera is magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted November 9, 2016 Share #22 Posted November 9, 2016 Hello, Your "complaint" may or may not be one . Maybe wet sensor cleaning is not necessary. Since I use my M (type 262 ), I only use dry cleaning, and it's simple and very quick. See this FAQ post #88 by jaapv : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/216580-leica-m8-m82-m9-m9p-mm-mtyp240-faqs-questions-with-answers/page-5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray1684 Posted November 9, 2016 Share #23 Posted November 9, 2016 Has the op made his/her decision on the M? Just came over from the Sony A7ii using manual focus Zeiss lens; the main annoyance for me on the M is the metering mode; Classic I found a bit hard to use with mixed lighting, and Advanced metering is extremely slow Anyways, have accepted the fact that it's slow now and have continued with the Advanced Metering; similar to my M6 and other film cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted November 9, 2016 Share #24 Posted November 9, 2016 Thats why I use classic metering (ok, now I have the 262 which only offers classic metering anyways). I Admit its a little tricky in high contrast scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 10, 2016 Share #25 Posted November 10, 2016 I use classic metering, expose for the highlights and correct in developing the DNG. I've switched off my M-P screen so I don't fret at wierd exposures. There is so much latitude in the files and PP in Lightroom is so flexible, I don't worry about exposure all that much... especially in high contrast situations. It really is like my analogue darkroom days with paper printing... except it's much faster and much cleaner. I now think of digital in the same way I think about film and wet printing... I don't think about it like 'slide film', which is what I did with my Nikon dslrs... I would set it up for a JPEG I liked and that was it. And moan about it not being Kodachrome. Leica digital is a MUCH more ' an analogue experience workflow' once you get used to DNG and actually processing your output. It took me a year or two to slowly change my mindset back... and it helps that I'm aware fully of shutter speeds and aperture and ISO again! I'm also back to doing 80% B&W...something I never even considered with my Nikon digital's. (Which is weird, I don't think I ever put a colour film in my F2A's in the seventies and eighties...). I had forgotten for a few years. It's nice when it all comes back... and much more rewarding! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted November 10, 2016 Share #26 Posted November 10, 2016 I use classic metering, expose for the highlights and correct in developing the DNG. I've switched off my M-P screen so I don't fret at wierd exposures. There is so much latitude in the files and PP in Lightroom is so flexible, I don't worry about exposure all that much... especially in high contrast situations. It really is like my analogue darkroom days with paper printing... except it's much faster and much cleaner. I now think of digital in the same way I think about film and wet printing... I don't think about it like 'slide film', which is what I did with my Nikon dslrs... so I would set it up for a JPEG I liked and that was it. Leica digital is a MUCH more ' an analogue experience workflow' once you get used to DNG and actually processing your output. It took me a year or two to slowly change my mindset back... and it helps that I'm aware fully of shutter speeds and aperture and ISO again! I had forgotten for a few years. It's nice when it all comes back... and much more rewarding! Well said! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 10, 2016 Share #27 Posted November 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well said! Thank you. A rare moment of clarity on my part! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray1684 Posted November 10, 2016 Share #28 Posted November 10, 2016 I use classic metering, expose for the highlights and correct in developing the DNG. I've switched off my M-P screen so I don't fret at wierd exposures. There is so much latitude in the files and PP in Lightroom is so flexible, I don't worry about exposure all that much... especially in high contrast situations. Thanks for the tip! Will try this out over the weekend; I have usually worked with the mentality that the subject should be well exposed during the shot, to avoid having spend too much time in PP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted November 10, 2016 Share #29 Posted November 10, 2016 Anyways, have accepted the fact that it's slow now and have continued with the Advanced Metering; similar to my M6 and other film cameras. Except that M240 is the first M to offer Advanced Metering and all else use exactly Classic Metering (center weighted average). As to it being hard, it can be. Most of my troubles happen after I've used some other camera for a while and essentially forgotten how the M works. It then takes a few shots to get back on track.. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafixer Posted November 17, 2016 Share #30 Posted November 17, 2016 Regarding the megapixel resolution of the typ 262, being at 24 Mpix, it should be more than adequate. If I remember well, the best films had no more than 23 Mpix equivalent. I was using the M9 for six years, and it never let me down in terms of resolution. I also have issues with the focusing speed. I would never use the Leica M for professional needs, when I am getting paid to deliver results. However nothing beats the Leica lens quality. Another important factor to consider, how long you want spend in front of the computer. Transferring and manipulating images, makes a huge difference when you start from 18 Mpix vs 24 Mpix. From a practical point of view I do not think that I will need my new Leica M (type 262) increased resolution. I just do not enlarge so large. However I enjoy the bigger ISO spectrum, and the quitter shutter. I also use the 1.25 magnifier. It help a bit but does not make the focusing faster. I am afraid to take the 1.4 ring, since it starts to cut in some of my lens" filed of view. I hope it helps... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted November 17, 2016 Share #31 Posted November 17, 2016 Regarding the megapixel resolution of the typ 262, being at 24 Mpix, it should be more than adequate. If I remember well, the best films had no more than 23 Mpix equivalent. I was using the M9 for six years, and it never let me down in terms of resolution. I also have issues with the focusing speed. I would never use the Leica M for professional needs, when I am getting paid to deliver results. However nothing beats the Leica lens quality. Another important factor to consider, how long you want spend in front of the computer. Transferring and manipulating images, makes a huge difference when you start from 18 Mpix vs 24 Mpix. From a practical point of view I do not think that I will need my new Leica M (type 262) increased resolution. I just do not enlarge so large. However I enjoy the bigger ISO spectrum, and the quitter shutter. I also use the 1.25 magnifier. It help a bit but does not make the focusing faster. I am afraid to take the 1.4 ring, since it starts to cut in some of my lens" filed of view. I hope it helps... "If I remember well, the best films had no more than 23 Mpix equivalent." How do you arrive at this number? Please know I'm not doubting you I just never heard it put that way before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafixer Posted November 17, 2016 Share #32 Posted November 17, 2016 I first red it in one the earlier Canon DSLR brochure. It was around 2003 when most high end cameras were barely passing 10 Mpix. I also remember in one of Leica's pamphlet prior to the M9 that the 18Mpix without the filter could result an equal quality to the 21-22 Mpix. At that they mentioned that in the film area, the best media could not achieve more than 23 Mpix in resolution. Of course all these are in the past. There are many 36 Mpix full frame DSLR, however I am still not sure, how could the work-flow could be justified, with such huge files. Even commercial client do not want to pay for the time it takes to process those large files, and they never order such a large print. Most journalist or freelancer, need the speed of processing more than high resolution. It is more a practical approach and not of course the absolute Leicaism, what the members here would accept. It is only my comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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