alsidarta Posted October 29, 2016 Share #21 Posted October 29, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) i got your point. MP vs M6--> MP had similiar features with the M6. Beside the build materials and rewind crank. And MP cost almost twice than the M6. If considering "upgrade" in terms of function i think the M7 will suit well. Thats a different case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted October 29, 2016 Share #22 Posted October 29, 2016 The M7 is a whole different approach to the M camera IMHO. I can't operate without batteries for one thing.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted October 29, 2016 Share #23 Posted October 29, 2016 Yawn. Sure, it's all the same yadda yadda. But this is Leica and a little immersion in their history will show you why ZINC was such an ungraceful move. Again: chesseburger vs. Caviar. The real caviar would be a mint M2 or M4 with a lot of brass INSIDE, and not an overpriced M6 with brass cover ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmrider2 Posted October 29, 2016 Share #24 Posted October 29, 2016 Have owned all M's up to MP and M7. The M2 is my favorite (simplified viewfinder) followed by the M4. I owned both M6 and M6TTL but it turns out the metering system in the M5 is the most precise and it is the best shooter of the metered M's (shutter dial, shutter speed in viewfinder, and spot metering) if you can live with the size. I have never owned an MP as they were twice the price of the M6 and honestly I could not see a reason for the retrograde film rewind knob. I don't mean to offend MP owners as it is a beautiful camera, especially in black paint. Both my present M's (M2 and M5) come from Sherry Krauter and I respect her opinions which is MP not worth the money (you can buy two or three mint M6's for a new MP) and the M5 is the last of the hand made Leicas. Now, honestly you will not go wrong with any film M and you just have to decide what is important to you. The differences between models is very, very slight. Of course the biggest difference is between metered and non metered bodies. I do not know why I waited 40 years to pick up an M5 (only tried one in July and received it from Sherry two weeks ago). If the choice is between M6 and MP, go with a mint M6 and use the money for film, travel or lenses. By the way, I just sold my M9 and back to film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 29, 2016 Share #25 Posted October 29, 2016 I have never owned an MP as they were twice the price of the M6 and honestly I could not see a reason for the retrograde film rewind knob. this was one of my reasons to buy an MP after my M6 had to return to Leica because I accidently unscrewed the rewinder knob entirely of my camera, when I was in a hurry during a shoot. I screwed it in the wrong direction and it snapped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted October 29, 2016 Share #26 Posted October 29, 2016 I've used an M4 since 1968 and an M6 since 1985, and never had a problem with the rewind cranks. I also have M2 & M3, and much prefer the crank to the knob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmrider2 Posted October 30, 2016 Share #27 Posted October 30, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I strongly suspect Leica went with the rewind knob over the crank for an appeal to the nostalgia most Leica owners have. Why else do we get so excited by 60 year old M3's as I honestly do not see that kind of emotion when talking Nikon F's. I know the knob may be stronger but I would never, never have used one when I was a working newspaper photographer. Often shooting sports I would be rewinding and reloading on the run between high school sports events while driving the back roads of Ohio. Not safe but at 22 years old, what the hell did I know. The finder is better in the MP but the M6 can be upgraded for about $300. I would not know as I did not know the M6's finder was bad until everyone started talking about the MP. Or you can shoot with M2, M3, M4 and M5 and not have the finder problem of the M6. I owned both M6 and M6TTL and enjoyed each. But I really like the simple clean finder of the M2 (in fact I think that is the M2's best feature). Now when I want a metered camera, I use the M5 and I don't know why but the finder does not seem cluttered to me (even though it is compared to the M2). At 63, I find the rangefinder much easier to focus then an SLR but I have never owned an autofocus camera. I have owned M mount lenses since 1974 when I purchased my first Leica, a CL which was quickly followed by an M3. Then in succession a M4-2, M4-P, M6, M2, M4, M6TTL, M2(s), M9 and I just received an M5 from Sherry. The focal lengths of the lenses go from 15mm to 135mm but I find I use 35 and 50 the most with 90 a distant third so I may just sell the 15mm, 21mm, and 135mm. I guess I could have the perfect film M if I was willing to spend the money and Leica put features of various cameras from the past into a custom model: a M2 viewfinder and frame lines, a metered body but with the spot coverage of the M5, and built like an M4 and black paint. All this without costing a king's ransom. Well, we can dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahakalaka Posted October 30, 2016 Share #28 Posted October 30, 2016 Sorry if I have missed this, but not sure if it has been mentioned. I have a new a la carte MP and the shutter is notably more silent than my M6. I can also hold the shutter down if I want to wait for the second shutter noice to happen, just like on the digital M's. I had a "standard" MP a few years back and I can't remember it was like this. New shutter since the M-A maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 30, 2016 Share #29 Posted October 30, 2016 Sorry if I have missed this, but not sure if it has been mentioned. I have a new a la carte MP and the shutter is notably more silent than my M6. I can also hold the shutter down if I want to wait for the second shutter noice to happen, just like on the digital M's. I had a "standard" MP a few years back and I can't remember it was like this. New shutter since the M-A maybe? The second shuttercurtain was always hearable at 1/15 of a second with every M6 and MP. How can you hold a shutter down, with a mechanical camera???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 30, 2016 Share #30 Posted October 30, 2016 Does anyone know why the MP has the "old" style wrong direction shutter speed dial ? It seems a strange decision Leica took to use that after seeing the light on the M6TTL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikau Posted October 30, 2016 Share #31 Posted October 30, 2016 I have two M6 ttl bodies, one a .58, the other .85 and I also have an MP. I prefer the large shutter dial of the M6 ttl, but for some reason like the MP's rewind better than the '6's crank! The MP has, in my opinion, a higher quality "feel" to it, but one that's not worth the price difference. Bottom line for me is that either type is a pleasure to own, although not quite as pleasing as the mint M2-R I was fortunate enough to acquire a few years ago; now there's a gorgeous camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 31, 2016 Share #32 Posted October 31, 2016 Have an M4 and M-A, much prefer the M4 rewind crank -- faster (for me, at least), the other seems to simply be something for the weekend shooter, a contemplative rewind while enjoying a break in the day. As for M6 vs MP, it is all about the viewfinder. Had an M6 Classic, flare was awful, doesn't exist on my M4 or M-A and, I suspect, on the M7 and MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 31, 2016 Share #33 Posted October 31, 2016 Sorry if I have missed this, but not sure if it has been mentioned. I have a new a la carte MP and the shutter is notably more silent than my M6. I can also hold the shutter down if I want to wait for the second shutter noice to happen, just like on the digital M's. I had a "standard" MP a few years back and I can't remember it was like this. New shutter since the M-A maybe? You can only 'hold the shutter down' on B, the second curtain will close when you release the shutter. If you can do that on any other speed your shutter must be faulty (and you'll be getting very over exposed photos!). The shutter is the same basic design as it's always been, but as hand made mechanical objects there will sometimes be variations between the sound/feel of different cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted October 31, 2016 Share #34 Posted October 31, 2016 Sorry if I have missed this, but not sure if it has been mentioned. I have a new a la carte MP and the shutter is notably more silent than my M6. I can also hold the shutter down if I want to wait for the second shutter noice to happen, just like on the digital M's. I had a "standard" MP a few years back and I can't remember it was like this. New shutter since the M-A maybe? Are you referring to the sound on the digital camera when the shutter is re-cocked? That's done manually with the film advance lever Otherwise, like has been said, if you're not in B, and you hear a noise when you release the shutter, something is broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted October 31, 2016 Share #35 Posted October 31, 2016 My M-A sounds a bit softer than my M6: At 1/15s on the M-A the initial bounce seems better damped ; the follow on chain has a much sharper zing on the M6. However the M6 was last serviced in 1998, when the frame counter reset failed; after a CLA things might be closer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted October 31, 2016 Share #36 Posted October 31, 2016 My M-A sounds a bit softer than my M6: At 1/15s on the M-A the initial bounce seems better damped ; the follow on chain has a much sharper zing on the M6. However the M6 was last serviced in 1998, when the frame counter reset failed; after a CLA things might be closer. The sharp zing is a note that it's getting a little dry. Is it used much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 31, 2016 Share #37 Posted October 31, 2016 I always thought,(but may be wrong) that the flaring viewfinder was more of a "feature" with the M6TTL. Certainly my M6 Classic has less of a problem than the M6TTL I had in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahakalaka Posted October 31, 2016 Share #38 Posted October 31, 2016 Yes I was in Bulb mode (sorry I should have noticed, I just tried snapping a few as soon as I took it out of the box and didn't look at the settings). Still though, it is quite a bit more silent than my M6 which works flawless. Maybe the different body materials have an effect on the volume of the shutter sound? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #39 Posted October 31, 2016 Does anyone know why the MP has the "old" style wrong direction shutter speed dial ? It seems a strange decision Leica took to use that after seeing the light on the M6TTL. A couple of reasons that I can think of: the "old" style direction (which was never "wrong" until the existence of the M6 and metering diodes) is the traditional Leica way and the MP was meant to hark back to that era or, more practically, the extra 2mm height of the M6TTL and M7 (presumably to fit the extra electronics) allowed room for the gear that reverses the direction of the shutter speed dial. Going back to the traditional size of the M film body may have necessitated a return to the traditional shutter speed dial direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #40 Posted October 31, 2016 I always thought,(but may be wrong) that the flaring viewfinder was more of a "feature" with the M6TTL. Certainly my M6 Classic has less of a problem than the M6TTL I had in the past. It's possible that further refinements/cheapening of the RF between M6 and M6TTL (possibly linked to the availability of a choice of magnifications) may have exacerbated the flare but it may simply have been a product of the times – the growth of internet forums and associated chatter around the time that the M6TTL was the current model (M6 users had been more quietly getting on with using the cameras all those years). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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