fotografr Posted June 14, 2007 Share #41 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Brent, and where do you read that it is not possible to make money with photojournalism? I am talking about the problems photographer have... not that it is not possible to make money. Â ""who wants to live from photojournalism in these days?"" Â WHO WANTS Â not ONE CANNOT Â Perhaps we are having some kind of translation problem, but I thought what I was reading above was something about crappy pay, etc.. Regardless, why don't we just stop swinging at each other? It certainly is not my idea of a good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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telewatt Posted June 14, 2007 Share #42  Posted June 14, 2007    Jan, you have hidden your wife’s face, then you were finding something else than a familiar and private image.   Bye,  Francisco.  ..oh!..sorry.. ....this is funny!....Picasso and all the other painter did pictures of there wifes and it was not a private image...why should it be different in photography?  regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefan R. Posted June 14, 2007 Share #43 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Perhaps we are having some kind of translation problem, but I thought what I was reading above was something about crappy pay, etc.. Regardless, why don't we just stop swinging at each other? Â Brent, I just have to defend myself, I never said that it is not possible to make money with photography. yes, I said that most of these jobs are crappy paid. but what has that to do with you? it was a general statement, so you don't have to take it personal at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 14, 2007 Share #44 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Wow the party is all here! Who else is drinkin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted June 14, 2007 Share #45 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Wow the party is all here! Who else is drinkin? Â ... :D ...we need music.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 14, 2007 Share #46 Â Posted June 14, 2007 . http://www.artouko.com./easterbrunch/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 14, 2007 Share #47 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... ...we need music.. Â Violins are all out at another thread. Piano music here soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted June 14, 2007 Share #48 Â Posted June 14, 2007 stefan.. u r really disapointing now. instead of being sharck u become puppy with those childish exchanges and justifucations. the picture is clear, isnt it? no need for added words. Â brent that additonal picture u posted heree instead of intelctual discision is like modus ponens that prooves that your photo was supreme. get over it. open hurizons. Â Â Â ------------------------------------- Â Â Â Â IMANTS photos............ Â TAKE A LOOK how photography can be done. family stuff. see the STYLE, PACE, SENSITIVITY and AWARENESS, EXPOSITION, Â = PHOTOGRAPHY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 14, 2007 Share #49 Â Posted June 14, 2007 .....sorry leaving early that goddamn Godot guy is screaming in the ward down the hallway.........enjoy andstay and Rob no chasing Vic with that stick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefan R. Posted June 14, 2007 Share #50 Â Posted June 14, 2007 stefan.. u r really disapointing now. instead of being sharck u become puppy with those childish exchanges and justifucations. Â Â Vic, if Brent turns my words into something I never said, I want to clear up things.. nothing childish for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted June 14, 2007 Share #51 Â Posted June 14, 2007 stefan......................... shark stefan.................... shark................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted June 14, 2007 Share #52 Â Posted June 14, 2007 brent .. i have tried to send u a reply to your PM, but it seems that something is blocked there. it says that u dont allow or whatever... to post it here???? u take things too personal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petert531 Posted June 14, 2007 Share #53 Â Posted June 14, 2007 A Photo's 'value' does indeed belong to the beholder but in general I think we would all agree that the first picture here is a 'snapshot'. It is a photo but not a memorable one for many. Some of the others posted as examples are very good AND memorable. However there may be something to learn even from posting a snap shot---it depends where you are in your development as a photographer. Â The value of posting on a board like this is to hear different viewpoints, weigh them and determine the value of them. We are all constantly learning about photography and the only way to improve is to get outside input. Nobody's feelings should get hurt here on the forum, we all should be prepared to take criticism when posting. Some criticism isn't valid, but the poster has to determine that for his/herself. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 14, 2007 Share #54 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Peter, you've managed to sum up many of my feelings on this matter on a couple of paragraphs. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Motivfindender Posted June 14, 2007 Share #55  Posted June 14, 2007 Yes there may be all of those differing opinions, but occasionally someone makes a comment and you wonder why you didn't think of that, and if you are open minded enough it will help to make you a better photographer. Sure people give opinions and you disagree with them, but the alternative is that people will have opinions and not give them. The critique process can make both the photographer and critic think, and that has to be a good thing.  A Photo's 'value' does indeed belong to the beholder but in general I think we would all agree that the first picture here is a 'snapshot'. It is a photo but not a memorable one for many. Some of the others posted as examples are very good AND memorable. However there may be something to learn even from posting a snap shot---it depends where you are in your development as a photographer. The value of posting on a board like this is to hear different viewpoints, weigh them and determine the value of them. We are all constantly learning about photography and the only way to improve is to get outside input. Nobody's feelings should get hurt here on the forum, we all should be prepared to take criticism when posting. Some criticism isn't valid, but the poster has to determine that for his/herself.  Peter  this is like in a game, some person are playing only if they are winner...other stop playing if something is going wrong.. ...and some loose, loose, loose, but they lean and getting better and later they win.. think about it!...  regards, Jan    These statements are just perfect.  With them, EVERYTHING necessary has been said right clearly.  Thank you  If not for knowing the effect of one´s pictures on other persons and their honestly (though not everytime convenient) posted thoughts - for what else should you post pictures here ???!  Just to hear the echo of some more claqueurs or opportunists? That would be loss of time.  regards Dirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zebra Posted June 14, 2007 Share #56  Posted June 14, 2007 These statements are just perfect.  100 percent agree.   Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 14, 2007 Share #57  Posted June 14, 2007 brent .. i have tried to send u a reply to your PM, but it seems that something is blocked there. it says that u dont allow or whatever...to post it here???? u take things too personal  See your new PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share #58  Posted June 14, 2007 ..oh!..sorry.. ....this is funny!....Picasso and all the other painter did pictures of there wifes and it was not a private image...why should it be different in photography? regards, Jan  Jan may be the high levels of photo-philosophy of this threat has reached, get me lost. According to I’ve read until now the private character of an image depends on how this image impacts in the sensitivity of the viewer more than its own condition. Then it is the subject who defines… Then the type of the population of viewers defines… Then we only know that we know nothing.  Can you help me?  Francisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share #59  Posted June 14, 2007 Hi,  Following may last post addressed to Jan and thinking I’ve understood at least a 90% of what have been said, except some expressions in criptical English impossible to decoder by myself, I’ve reached to some personal conclusions I would like to transmit:  1- Criticism should help all of us without exceptions, even to the Masters of the Universe. 2- Criticism should be mainly about technical, composition and few more things, because all done about artistic values belongs to subjectivism. But many of us, in spite of our personal condition, wanted to learn. 3- Even though artistic values, as in others disciplines, are objectified by a general and historical approving, not precisely by the critics or personal evaluations. Not many people can admit them.  My best regards,  Francisco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted June 14, 2007 Share #60 Â Posted June 14, 2007 stefan......................... shark stefan.................... shark................ Vic, Â There's nothing wrong or childish in clearing up things......on the contrary, it's a good thing IMHO. Â Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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