ECohen Posted January 12, 2017 Share #461 Posted January 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Because photography and reprography are not the same thing with respect . Sharpness is only one feature of lenses among others. The character of a lens is more interesting provided we don't spend our time trying to hide the flaws of the lens, e.g. flare and vignetting here, as those are such flaws which give the lens it's character in the first place. Same for the glow produced by lenses like Summilux 35/1.4 to take another example. All the charm of the lens lies in that glow. To be able to use them all ....like choosing a paint brush....What a joy! It's one of the reasons I love Photography......and Art for that matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 Hi ECohen, Take a look here Leica Summaron-28 -image thread. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted January 12, 2017 Share #462 Posted January 12, 2017 So true . Adam Miller's pics above are self explanatory. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 12, 2017 Share #463 Posted January 12, 2017 ... All the charm of the lens lies in that glow. And its amaaazing size. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 12, 2017 Share #464 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) In Lightroom the lens is identified in the exif data but in the develop module, lens correction section, the make and model are set to none (profile corrections enabled, setup default). The lens is in the list when you set it manually. The Adobe profile correction appears to be a pincushion fix though I don't have a suitable test picture to say for sure. Edited January 12, 2017 by Exodies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmcm Posted January 12, 2017 Share #465 Posted January 12, 2017 Because photography and reprography are not the same thing with respect . Sharpness is only one feature of lenses among others. The character of a lens is more interesting provided we don't spend our time trying to hide the flaws of the lens, e.g. flare and vignetting here, as those are such flaws which give the lens it's character in the first place. Same for the glow produced by lenses like Summilux 35/1.4 to take another example. All the charm of the lens lies in that glow. Thanks for your answer, I know very well that fotography and repography are not the same thing even so I really think that this lens is to much expensive for what it can do. Enviado do meu iPhone usando o Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 12, 2017 Share #466 Posted January 12, 2017 What I cant understand is why Leica thinks people are going to buy a lens very expensive and not sharp blah blah The new Summaron is very sharp. I have no idea what you are going on about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 12, 2017 Share #467 Posted January 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... I really think that this lens is to much expensive for what it can do. Enviado do meu iPhone usando o Tapatalk No comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-A-C Posted January 14, 2017 Share #468 Posted January 14, 2017 What other lenses would be top choices for Leica to reproduce? I'd love to pick up a classic lens but funds are limited. This lens is very expensive but I'm still glad they're making it. Please excuse my naive questions and know that I sincerely rely on this esteemed forum to help educate me....especially in matters of Leica historyNot being well versed in classic Leica lenses. And under the impression that some classic lenses have unique and special characteristics on film. These special characteristics don't necessarily translate to today's digital sensors.This "new" 28mm f/5.6 lens having 6 bit coding is intended for today's Digital M's What is the appeal of this classic design on today's digital camera?Why would I choose this over the more versatile elmarit?.....and a little Photoshop.Is Leica resurrecting the film classics with a "collect 'em all" marketing intent? Thanks in advance for your response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesurf Posted January 14, 2017 Share #469 Posted January 14, 2017 Hi David, thank you for your contributions to the Red Dot Forum; it is an informative site that, like L-Camera-Forum, Overgaard, Steve Huff and Ken Rockwell, I look to for reference, reviews and opinions. I believe, if you would have perhaps included some comparison shots of Little Havana with the original 28 Summaron and current or previous generation 28 Elmarit-M. I understand video is a far different medium than print, but I believe the "best practices" still hold, give a little something for everyone; some background culture and even gear "fluff," stills in the video (which you did), comparisons, some tech data that would support the shooting style you used in that environment and finally how that lens works with other Leica cameras. I don't believe such a video would add very much time and it could even be a collaborative effort. I'm sure some folks on here might have enjoyed contributing forum members Wattsy and A Miller have work that could give people and different perspective, both with new and older versions of the lenses. Good luck with the posts and don't be a "stranger" here Ken Rockwell, please, don't let me start on that stuff..... Steve huff... oh man. All credibility gone through the window. If this was not directed at me personally, then please ignore. If it was, I take great offense that you attack my credibility for simply mentioning several camera review opinion sources. My reply to David's video post included some constructive suggestions in my opinion and encouragement to post further. This is great thread about a new lens and I've enjoyed reading about the original version and new image samples, that is until comments like the above were made. It would be great if more users of both original and reissue were to contribute and keep in the "spirit" of the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 14, 2017 Share #470 Posted January 14, 2017 Well you are the one taking huff seriously. I'd never listen to anyone claiming to be in contact with B.B.King, Robin Williams and so forth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-A-C Posted January 15, 2017 Share #471 Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Will this lens produce better image quality than a new i-Phone lens? Serious question. Edited January 15, 2017 by B-A-C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted January 15, 2017 Share #472 Posted January 15, 2017 It will pass more light than the iphone lens Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk Pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 15, 2017 Share #473 Posted January 15, 2017 Does that mean they can be sloppier about the sensor design than Apple is? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 15, 2017 Share #474 Posted January 15, 2017 Not entirely sure I understand the "expensive" argument here. I just looked at the current M lenses for sale at a reputable dealer and in the list of 37, this one is in 24th place. ALL Leica lenses are expensive compare to most other brands. Some of it due to brand name (just like Apple), some of it due to high production costs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 15, 2017 Share #475 Posted January 15, 2017 I get the impression that some people think there is some kind of direct correlation between lens speed and cost and that, therefore, an f5.6 lens shouldn't cost more than an Elmarit. Or something like that. [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycym Posted January 15, 2017 Share #476 Posted January 15, 2017 I would expect to see a F1.4 cost more than an F2 all other things being equal. There again, an apo F2 may cost more than a non-apo F1.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 15, 2017 Share #477 Posted January 15, 2017 The video or accompanying text is hardly a "review". A waste of time if you want to learn anything insightful about the lens. I recommend anyone interested in this lens should try it out in person because IMO it is not one to buy unseen. Agreed. I'd be interested in why you are 'tempted but not convinced' by the lens. The oddball filter size is a major irritation for me (my Leica is an MP) but your images seem to show it handles strong backlight very well when other lenses would flare badly and lose contrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 15, 2017 Share #478 Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Agreed. I'd be interested in why you are 'tempted but not convinced' by the lens. The oddball filter size is a major irritation for me (my Leica is an MP) but your images seem to show it handles strong backlight very well when other lenses would flare badly and lose contrast. Good question. I'm pretty much convinced by the results - as you say, the flare handling is superb and it is very sharp - I'm just hesitant because I find it fiddly to use from an ergonomic point of view and it costs £1900! [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited January 15, 2017 by wattsy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 15, 2017 Share #479 Posted January 15, 2017 Good question. I'm pretty much convinced by the results - as you say, the flare handling is superb and it is very sharp - I'm just hesitant because I find it fiddly to use from an ergonomic point of view and it costs £1900! [emoji3] Fair enough. I particularly like the 28mm or equivalent aov and neither my CV 28mm color-skopar or 28mm summicron asph are fiddly to use on my MP, even with cold fingers. Both also dovetail neatly into my 39mm and 46mm filter sets, but the new summaron would be an irritation from that aspect. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 15, 2017 Share #480 Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Fair enough. I particularly like the 28mm or equivalent aov and neither my CV 28mm color-skopar or 28mm summicron asph are fiddly to use on my MP, even with cold fingers. Both also dovetail neatly into my 39mm and 46mm filter sets, but the new summaron would be an irritation from that aspect.Yes, I think the Summaron has something like an E34 filter size which probably means trawling eBay for suitable coloured filters. By fiddly, I'm referring mainly to the existence of the infinity lock and the little wheeled focussing tab which seems to need two fingers to operate rather than the one finger I'm used to with the concave tab of all my other Leica lenses. Edited January 15, 2017 by wattsy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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