Photoskeptic Posted September 29, 2016 Share #1 Posted September 29, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone tried the new 1/2000 sec. 'blad lenses on the S? Just wondering if the H6D has different contacts or firmware to accommodate these in which case the S adapter wouldn't allow the faster speeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jip Posted September 29, 2016 Share #2 Posted September 29, 2016 Has anyone tried the new 1/2000 sec. 'blad lenses on the S? Just wondering if the H6D has different contacts or firmware to accommodate these in which case the S adapter wouldn't allow the faster speeds. I don't think they will work at all. If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted September 30, 2016 I don't think they will work at all. If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted September 30, 2016 Share #4 Posted September 30, 2016 If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... Interesting indeed... I had no idea Hasselblad was doing this... There goes the perception that they have become an open system again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted October 2, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 2, 2016 I don't think they will work at all. If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... What?! Is it actually legal to do this without informing the customer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 2, 2016 Share #6 Posted October 2, 2016 What?! Is it actually legal to do this without informing the customer? Yes of course because the hasselblad lens only legaly has to be compatible with hasselblad cameras... they do something so it won't work on the S-Adapter H anymore... Something Leica should fix with a counter firmware update. If possible at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 2, 2016 Share #7 Posted October 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes of course because the hasselblad lens only legaly has to be compatible with hasselblad cameras... they do something so it won't work on the S-Adapter H anymore... Something Leica should fix with a counter firmware update. If possible at all. It wouldn't be in Oz. Reducing functions like this would be seen as anti-competitive. HP have just gotten in some trouble here by side loading a firmware update that stopped some of their printers accepting third party inks. As those same printers previously did work with those inks HP now has to reverse that. This wasn't just a consumer backlash. That ACCC (consumer affairs in Oz) got involved. In Oz, if a company upgraded firmware without your consent and that changed the functionality of the product you can demand it be reversed. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted April 30, 2017 Share #8 Posted April 30, 2017 I don't think they will work at all. If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... What do you mean by “WON T WORK”. The common issue with the adapter has been that it would lose communication with the lens . This could be reset by turning the camera off and on again . The AF would work for a while and then you would have to repeat . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted May 1, 2017 Share #9 Posted May 1, 2017 What do you mean by “WON T WORK”. The common issue with the adapter has been that it would lose communication with the lens . This could be reset by turning the camera off and on again . The AF would work for a while and then you would have to repeat . It is rumoured that the newer Hasselblad lenses or if a older Hasselblad lens goes in for repair to Hasselblad they update the lens firmware and it no longer functions on the S-Adapter H. The 'bug' you describe is just a fault in the Leica S-Adapter H ring, while the problem I describe resides in the Hasselblad lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted May 1, 2017 Share #10 Posted May 1, 2017 It wouldn't be in Oz. Reducing functions like this would be seen as anti-competitive. HP have just gotten in some trouble here by side loading a firmware update that stopped some of their printers accepting third party inks. As those same printers previously did work with those inks HP now has to reverse that. This wasn't just a consumer backlash. That ACCC (consumer affairs in Oz) got involved. In Oz, if a company upgraded firmware without your consent and that changed the functionality of the product you can demand it be reversed. Gordon They could claim they have just improved the AF system on the Hasselblad bodies and lenses, and that because of that (without their intention) the Leica S-Adapter H no longer understand the communication between adapter ring and Hasselblad lens. This would be completely legal in the EU and USA. They could even claim that they had to do this firmware upgrade because of compatibility with a new part during repair, etc. etc. Hasselblad does not have to make sure the lens remains compatible with the third party Leica S-Adapter H, it is up to Leica to reverse engineer the adapter ring again to make it yet again compatible with Hasselblads communication algorithms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted May 1, 2017 Share #11 Posted May 1, 2017 I don't think they will work at all. If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... Jip- This is most unfortunate! It is a bad idea to block your product from working on other platforms and ultimately depreciates the value of the said lens... Albert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted May 1, 2017 Share #12 Posted May 1, 2017 It's good that Contax 645 is dead ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted May 1, 2017 Share #13 Posted May 1, 2017 It's good that Contax 645 is dead ... A smily one - amingst all the misery... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted May 1, 2017 Share #14 Posted May 1, 2017 I don't think they will work at all. If compatible lenses are send to hasselblad for repair Hasselblad updates the firmware of the lens so it won't work with the adapter anymore... I'd think the new lenses are equally 'protected' for use on the Leica S-Adapter H... Is this all fact, or rumour? This makes it sound like ( a ) the owner has no choice in the upgrading of the firmware, and ( b ) the purpose of the upgrade is to protect against 3rd party usage. Are these conclusions fact, or assumptions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 1, 2017 Share #15 Posted May 1, 2017 Jip- This is most unfortunate! It is a bad idea to block your product from working on other platforms and ultimately depreciates the value of the said lens... Albert Not only that, but it would be rather counterproductive. People are not going to buy into a system to accommodate using a lens, but they might well buy a lens to use on another body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted May 2, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 2, 2017 To rephrase what Hasselblad is doing in my opinion is just: improving their product, and in the process unknowingly or knowingly but not on purpose make it incompatible with the Leica S-Adapter H... This is Leica their problem since they have to keep up with keeping their Adapter ring compatible with the Hasselblad lenses, it's not up to Hasselblad to keep the lenses compatible with a 3rd party adapter ring made by Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted May 6, 2017 Share #17 Posted May 6, 2017 Perhaps it would be more beneficial to both companies (and their customers) if they would actually talk about this and openly share protocols with each other and make adapters available both ways. X1D users could use some good S glass And it would surely broaden their user base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted May 7, 2017 Share #18 Posted May 7, 2017 Perhaps it would be more beneficial to both companies (and their customers) if they would actually talk about this and openly share protocols with each other and make adapters available both ways. X1D users could use some good S glass And it would surely broaden their user base. X1D would need to be able to trigger the central shutter, so only CS lenses would be applicable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted May 7, 2017 Share #19 Posted May 7, 2017 Indeed, only CS - for now - would be fine. When I look for example at the Facebook fan pages of the Leica S system, Hasselblad X1D and Fuji GFX, it's amazing how big difference is. Fuji has literary thousands of subscribers, whereas Leica and Hasselblad have one hundred or a few hundred at most. An adapter would be a small step for them to join forces and make investments in their offerings more versatile. BTW, why is it that I like the photos on the Hasselblad and Leica pages, and don't care for the ones on the Fuji pages? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted May 7, 2017 Share #20 Posted May 7, 2017 BTW, why is it that I like the photos on the Hasselblad and Leica pages, and don't care for the ones on the Fuji pages? You answered your own question. 10 times as many posters will likely lower the average picture quality. When I've seen a great photographer use a Leica S, XF/Credo 60, or Fuji MF, (Mat Richardson, mjr at getDPI) the results look indistinguishable, at least at Web sizes. --Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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