jffielde Posted September 18, 2016 Share #1 Posted September 18, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can anyone who owns the Voigt 12mm II and either of the Voigt 10mm or the 12mm III (when available) compare them? I own the 12mm II and I would like to know if there's any reasons to consider complimenting it with the 10mm or replacing it with the 12mm III. I don't expect to do so, but I would like to know if others have been impressed with one of the two new lenses relative to the older 12mm II. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 Hi jffielde, Take a look here New Voigt 10mm & 12mm III (vs old Voigt 12mm II). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
fotomas Posted September 19, 2016 Share #2 Posted September 19, 2016 Hello, I have the 12 mm I and the new 10 mm. Since the V II of the 12 mm should be optical the same I guess it is not so far away. 10 mm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! and here 12 mm I was astonished how much more is covered by the 10 mm compared to 12 mm.As you can see the 12 mm leads to red edges on my M 240. Also it is a bit softer the 10 mm.I guess the new 12 mm will look similar to the 10 mm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! and here 12 mm I was astonished how much more is covered by the 10 mm compared to 12 mm. As you can see the 12 mm leads to red edges on my M 240. Also it is a bit softer the 10 mm. I guess the new 12 mm will look similar to the 10 mm. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264656-new-voigt-10mm-12mm-iii-vs-old-voigt-12mm-ii/?do=findComment&comment=3115431'>More sharing options...
james.liam Posted September 19, 2016 Share #3 Posted September 19, 2016 The abstract novelty of a rectilinear 10 or 12mm (warts and all) makes people forget how hard it is to compose a scene with so much stuff in it, their own shoes included. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 19, 2016 Share #4 Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Can anyone who owns the Voigt 12mm II and either of the Voigt 10mm or the 12mm III (when available) compare them? I own the 12mm II and I would like to know if there's any reasons to consider complimenting it with the 10mm or replacing it with the 12mm III. I don't expect to do so, but I would like to know if others have been impressed with one of the two new lenses relative to the older 12mm II. Thanks. I skipped the 12mm and went from the 15mm VIII to the 10mm and it is better than the 15 in terms of fringing, and really better in every respect. I shoot with no lens selected on the M9, and sometimes with marvelous results using the the 15mm profile in post-processing. I can direct you to a post that addresses this if you wish. Edited September 19, 2016 by pico 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted September 20, 2016 Share #5 Posted September 20, 2016 I was astonished how much more is covered by the 10 mm compared to 12 mm. Almost 17% more coverage, which is quite a lot, more than the jump from 28mm to 24mm. As you get wider, smaller focal length changes make bigger and bigger differences! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted September 20, 2016 Share #6 Posted September 20, 2016 just a quick & dirty view from our balcony: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 mm II 10mm Hyper wide When news came out, that there will be a 10mm wide I knew it was such a MUST HAVE item, and I'm not disappointed. It's funny to switch both pictures alternating, 12mm view gives a "tele" feeling after looking the 10mm pic. 12mm Ultra Heliar II is coded as 21mm Elmar, this is the coding most recommendet. Even with this coding cornes are much darker than with the (uncoded and no info given to M9!) 10mm Hyper wide Heliar. Of course both are underexposed, but the 10mm picture is much more balanced and more correct exposed than the Ver.II 12mm one. I decided to sell my 12mm 'cause that 10mm Hyper is IMO much better.... We all venerate Mr. Karbe and his predecessors for their genius in lens design, but these little Voigtländer gems do not deserve to be made anonymously. Thomas 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 mm II 10mm Hyper wide When news came out, that there will be a 10mm wide I knew it was such a MUST HAVE item, and I'm not disappointed. It's funny to switch both pictures alternating, 12mm view gives a "tele" feeling after looking the 10mm pic. 12mm Ultra Heliar II is coded as 21mm Elmar, this is the coding most recommendet. Even with this coding cornes are much darker than with the (uncoded and no info given to M9!) 10mm Hyper wide Heliar. Of course both are underexposed, but the 10mm picture is much more balanced and more correct exposed than the Ver.II 12mm one. I decided to sell my 12mm 'cause that 10mm Hyper is IMO much better.... We all venerate Mr. Karbe and his predecessors for their genius in lens design, but these little Voigtländer gems do not deserve to be made anonymously. Thomas ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264656-new-voigt-10mm-12mm-iii-vs-old-voigt-12mm-ii/?do=findComment&comment=3115567'>More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted September 20, 2016 Share #7 Posted September 20, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) We all venerate Mr. Karbe and his predecessors for their genius in lens design, but these little Voigtländer gems do not deserve to be made anonymously. Thomas Agreed Thomas, they are amazing both in the perspective they offer and the price they offer it for. Who is the (lead) designer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 20, 2016 Share #8 Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) 12mm Ultra Heliar II is coded as 21mm Elmar, this is the coding most recommendet. Even with this coding cornes are much darker than with the (uncoded and no info given to M9!) 10mm Hyper wide Heliar. Of course both are underexposed, but the 10mm picture is much more balanced and more correct exposed than the Ver.II 12mm one. Are they underexposed? Are you using an Adobe post-processing program? If you are, try using NO lens profile, input into ACR and push the 'recover' slider all the way to the right. The image might not be underexposed! Finally, as an option use Adobe's 15mm lens correction filter. (Mine downloaded automatically.) More in this thread. Edited September 20, 2016 by pico 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted January 11, 2018 Share #9 Posted January 11, 2018 Now that 16 months has passed since the thread started (and ended), I'm wondering what the experience is with the latest versions. I only use an M6 & M9M and am thus shying away from the non-RF coupled 10; more inclined toward the 12 because I already own a 21 SEM, therefore 15 doesn't seem radical enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted January 16, 2018 Share #10 Posted January 16, 2018 10 mm 16-09-05, 12-17.jpg I was astonished how much more is covered by the 10 mm compared to 12 mm. As you can see the 12 mm leads to red edges on my M 240. Also it is a bit softer the 10 mm.I guess the new 12 mm will look similar to the 10 mm. The car down in the right corner seems to be smashed by the foot of Godzilla. They seem to perform a lot of distortion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsleica Posted January 16, 2018 Share #11 Posted January 16, 2018 And I thought 15mm was wide..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etruscello Posted January 20, 2018 Share #12 Posted January 20, 2018 I find the CV10 to be superior to the CV12 (first version, screw mount) for corner control and central sharpness. Attached is an image I had taken of the Golden Gate Bridge with the CV10 on an M240, camera code set to 21mm pre-Asph, Adobe Raw pp profile set to CV15, again for best corner control. Tom Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264656-new-voigt-10mm-12mm-iii-vs-old-voigt-12mm-ii/?do=findComment&comment=3444471'>More sharing options...
romualdo Posted April 16, 2018 Share #13 Posted April 16, 2018 I'm just wondering if the CV10 is rangefinder coupled - not mentioned anywhere I've read (even Gandy's Voigtlander site does not list it as coupled or not ie the M version - even though he discusses that with CV12's & 15's) I suppose it doesn't really matter for a 10mm lens - hyperfocal focusing would be the way to go (I do the same with my CV15 LTM which isn't coupled) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 16, 2018 Share #14 Posted April 16, 2018 Not coupled. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schattenundlicht Posted April 16, 2018 Share #15 Posted April 16, 2018 & no need for coupling with this DOF, as you have correctly presumed. You have to be careful with sloppy hyperfocal, however, as diffraction is quite severe at f/16 and f/22. With f/8 and f/11 you have most scenes covered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted April 16, 2018 Share #16 Posted April 16, 2018 & no need for coupling with this DOF, as you have correctly presumed. You have to be careful with sloppy hyperfocal, however, as diffraction is quite severe at f/16 and f/22. With f/8 and f/11 you have most scenes covered. Yes, I generally try to avoid those small apertures (16, 22) for that reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schattenundlicht Posted April 16, 2018 Share #17 Posted April 16, 2018 Yes, I generally try to avoid those small apertures (16, 22) for that reason Although I love the Heliar 10 for its daring concept and engineering, it does suffer from the worst diffraction that I have ever seen in any lens. Most propably has to do with the angle of light hitting the aperture blades through the extreme UW. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted April 16, 2018 Share #18 Posted April 16, 2018 Although I love the Heliar 10 for its daring concept and engineering, it does suffer from the worst diffraction that I have ever seen in any lens. Most propably has to do with the angle of light hitting the aperture blades through the extreme UW. I'm seriously thinking of getting one - skip the CV12 & go straight to the 10 - my LTM CV15 isn't ideal on the M240 (but fantastic on my M & LTM bodies plus X-Pro2, though that is really a 21mm on the Fuji) The price is great, even here in Australia (M version is cheaper than the Sony one) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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