Leica SL or Hasselblad X1D

[wellfleet]

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You may assume that but there's no evidence, since other early previews didn't mention it, and neither did Hasselblad in any of their literature as far as I can tell, although GPS was mentioned.

 

Perhaps DPReview made a simple mistake? 

 

Perhaps for face detection, but with respect to the internal GPS even Hasselblad's product manager Ove Bengtson confirmed that it would be internal in his interview with LuLa

Edited January 10, 2017 by wellfleet

[Peter H]

Perhaps for face detection, but with respect to the internal GPS even Hasselblad's product manager Ove Bengston confirmed that it would be internal in his interview with LuLa.

 

 

Yes, that's agreed.

 

Hasselblad's own literature mentioned GPS as a feature. Which they have acknowledged and done their best to fulfil, albeit inadequately perhaps.

 

But their literature never did mention face detection though and as far as I'm aware the company never suggested that it would be a feature. So to try to construct a case for deliberate and/or wholesale falsification in this way seems misplaced doesn't it?

[steppenw0lf]

Here is another site also claiming face detection. So again an error or misguided phantasy ? Or they simply copied dpreview (the list looks similar).  http://www.cameraegg.org/hasselblad-x1d-medium-format-mirrorless-camera-announced/

And another one: http://mikepasini.com/corners/2016/06/22-hasselblad-x1d/index.htm

And I am sure with enough time I find many more. And the question is, were they all using the infos from Hassi or were all copying the dpreview report ?

 

What about tracking AF ? Another error of dpreview ?  I wonder where they take the time from to add so many inventions of their own.    And I wonder what they got paid to add features to cameras, that are not supposed to have these features ...  (embellishing the Hassi product against the will of the producer ...  )

 

And another:  http://blog.planet5d.com/2016/06/the-first-medium-format-mirrorless-hasselblad-unveils-x1d/

One more:  http://www.avhub.com.au/news/prophoto/xpan-and-swc-reincarnated-in-hasselblad-x1d-430161

Plus one:  http://www.sansmirror.com/cameras/camera-database/hasselblad-x1d-50c.html

 

I have many more on my google list, but stop here. And all invented these features - or copied from each other. And Hassselblad not once intervened and tried to correct the false impression by a clear statement of their own ...  and nobody checked with Hasselblad if this was true. How careless !       

Edited January 10, 2017 by steppenw0lf

[wellfleet]

. So to try to construct a case for deliberate and/or wholesale falsification in this way seems misplaced doesn't it?

 

 

Perhaps now you're making an assumption, as I'm not trying to construct anything. All I said was that DPReview had published those specs as a response to yours and steppenwOlf's discussion of face detection.

Wow, people are getting awfully testy around here.

Edited January 10, 2017 by wellfleet

[Peter H]

Perhaps now you're making an assumption, as I'm not trying to construct anything. All I said was that DPReview had published those specs as a response to yours and steppenwOlf's discussion of face detection.

Wow, people are getting awfully testy around here.

 

 

No, no assumptions.

 

I'm continuing the discussion started by Steppenw0lf's suggestion that Hasselblad might be using unethical business practices, and my replies to you and others are intended to be read in that context.

 

Apologies if that wasn't clear.

[wellfleet]

No, no assumptions.

 

I'm continuing the discussion started by Steppenw0lf's suggestion that Hasselblad might be using unethical business practices, and my replies to you and others are intended to be read in that context.

 

Apologies if that wasn't clear.

 

 

Thanks. Won't we all be happier when the camera is in our hands and not hammering a keyboard. That's my assumption...

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Thanks. Won't we all be happier when the camera is in our hands and not hammering a keyboard. That's my assumption...

 

Indeed, then a deadly silence will suddenly come over this thread ........ as we enjoy the new camera and lenses.

[Peter H]

Thanks. Won't we all be happier when the camera is in our hands and not hammering a keyboard. That's my assumption...

 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

Having said which, the reason I'm so often tapping away at a keyboard is because it's an occasional 5-minute break from processing and dealing with the photos I've just taken.

 

I don't know whether a nice new camera will be good or bad news in that respect!

[tom0511]

I think the good thing there are not many X1D delivered anyways, so I guess everybody who thinks these features are essential for his usage still can cancel his order?

 

In this regard the "non- delivery"-feature is much more useful than the Leica "S-AF-failure" feature.

 

But I would like to mention one thing:

I believe that the behavior of customers are one reason why those company do announce products way to early and deliver products in beta-versions. It seems like a "race" (who is the first with a mirrorless MF-camera, who is the first with a 100MP sensor,...). 2 year old models are called "outdated" in internet forums.

[Guest]

Absolutely.

 

Having said which, the reason I'm so often tapping away at a keyboard is because it's an occasional 5-minute break from processing and dealing with the photos I've just taken.

 

I don't know whether a nice new camera will be good or bad news in that respect!

 

Probably worse. The file sizes are quite a bit larger etc, but no pain no gain!

[Peter H]

I think the good thing there are not many X1D delivered anyways, so I guess everybody who thinks these features are essential for his usage still can cancel his order?

 

In this regard the "non- delivery"-feature is much more useful than the Leica "S-AF-failure" feature.

 

But I would like to mention one thing:

I believe that the behavior of customers are one reason why those company do announce products way to early and deliver products in beta-versions. It seems like a "race" (who is the first with a mirrorless MF-camera, who is the first with a 100MP sensor,...). 2 year old models are called "outdated" in internet forums.

 

 

I don't disagree, but is it possible that Hasselblad (and perhaps Fuji too) have delayed release of their important new cameras so that they can iron things out before they start selling them in what would otherwise be a beta version?

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

I don't disagree, but is it possible that Hasselblad (and perhaps Fuji too) have delayed release of their important new cameras so that they can iron things out before they start selling them in what would otherwise be a beta version?

have you got a date Peter when you'll be getting yours??

 

 

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[Guest]

I think the good thing there are not many X1D delivered anyways, so I guess everybody who thinks these features are essential for his usage still can cancel his order?

 

In this regard the "non- delivery"-feature is much more useful than the Leica "S-AF-failure" feature.

 

But I would like to mention one thing:

I believe that the behavior of customers are one reason why those company do announce products way to early and deliver products in beta-versions. It seems like a "race" (who is the first with a mirrorless MF-camera, who is the first with a 100MP sensor,...). 2 year old models are called "outdated" in internet forums.

Yes but that is driven by the marketing gurus. The people are 'tempted' to lust for these things by the marketing. I think it is much more a race for more cash by companies than anyone wanting to be the first to have a camera in their little sleepy villiage. I could concede there are some humans who like to be the first to have anything, but I still think it is marketing and one company trying to outdo other companies.

[Peter H]

have you got a date Peter when you'll be getting yours??

 

 

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No.

 

But if it's true that there's going to be announcements from Fuji on the GFX50 next week as well as a Leica announcement, I shan't be spending any serious money before then.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

No.

 

But if it's true that there's going to be announcements from Fuji on the GFX50 next week as well as a Leica announcement, I shan't be spending any serious money before then.

+1

 

 

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[LocalHero1953]

Since all we have to go on is speculation, here's some more:

- that Hasselblad was feeling a financial squeeze earlier in the year, and had an urgent need for investment to stay alive

- that they rushed out the X1D announcement early to show potential investors that they had a future

- that they have spent the time since then turning a working prototype into a market-ready camera (while finding out that some bright ideas, like internal GPS, just won't work; and that some rather vital bits, like a simple means of focus point selection, were forgotten)

- that this has been impacted by big apparent demand, requiring more manufacturing capacity

- that DJI have successfully been persuaded to make the necessary investment, to keep Hasselblad afloat and build the capacity.

 

How does that sound? It's as likely as any other scenario, based on available evidence.

[Peter H]

Since all we have to go on is speculation, here's some more:

- that Hasselblad was feeling a financial squeeze earlier in the year, and had an urgent need for investment to stay alive

- that they rushed out the X1D announcement early to show potential investors that they had a future

- that they have spent the time since then turning a working prototype into a market-ready camera (while finding out that some bright ideas, like internal GPS, just won't work; and that some rather vital bits, like a simple means of focus point selection, were forgotten)

- that this has been impacted by big apparent demand, requiring more manufacturing capacity

- that DJI have successfully been persuaded to make the necessary investment, to keep Hasselblad afloat and build the capacity.

 

How does that sound? It's as likely as any other scenario, based on available evidence.

 

 

 

Plausible.

[R3D-D0T]

Since all we have to go on is speculation, here's some more:

- that Hasselblad was feeling a financial squeeze earlier in the year, and had an urgent need for investment to stay alive

- that they rushed out the X1D announcement early to show potential investors that they had a future

- that they have spent the time since then turning a working prototype into a market-ready camera (while finding out that some bright ideas, like internal GPS, just won't work; and that some rather vital bits, like a simple means of focus point selection, were forgotten)

- that this has been impacted by big apparent demand, requiring more manufacturing capacity

- that DJI have successfully been persuaded to make the necessary investment, to keep Hasselblad afloat and build the capacity.

 

How does that sound? It's as likely as any other scenario, based on available evidence.

 

 

Based on all this, we can conclude that Leica gives no ****s and will change nothing about the Leica S.

[LocalHero1953]

Based on all this, we can conclude that Leica gives no ****s and will change nothing about the Leica S.

What's the connection?

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[ramarren]

I am really glad that you are entirely happy with anything you get, although you know very little about its details.

I am sure that most users will begrudge your optimism.

 

I am also happy with my SL, but mainly because of the features it actually has and that I have tested/used. Not because they are developing additional features for the future, which I implicitly expect from any camera maker.

I could be happy about the future lenses to come - but my optimism is not so unshakable/steadfast ....

 

By the way, face recognition or face AF (or lately eye AF) is a feature also mentioned earlier and not to be found in the manual of the X1D. Another reason to be perfectly happy - because the manual is not even wrong about it. It is simply silent about it.

Another feature to expect over the next few weeks, or months, (or years) ... and another good reason for pleasant anticipation.

 

 

Regarding the SL and its further development: Leica has added several new versions of firmware in the last 12 months, with very pleasant improvements (for my taste). Nothing to complain about, rather a reason for pleasant anticipation.

Stefan, I wonder why you continue to rail on and on about Hasselblad and the X1D when it is perfectly clear by your notes that you have no interest in buying one. ?? Say you don't want one, don't trust Hasselblad, dislike their policies, their communications, whatever, and be done with it. It gets tiresome to read a dozen posts every morning ranting about the same thing when the conclusion has been the same since the start of the thread.

 

I and others on this thread actually have an interest in the X1D, in BUYING and using the X1D. And whatever convenience features it might have, or lack, the fact of its basics (mirrorless body, large high quality sensor, excellent lenses, etc etc) remain the same and are the reason for our interest. Built in GPS vs add-on ... eh? Just not a big deal. There are LOTS of features on my SL and other cameras I don't use very frequently if at all. About the only digital camera that I use almost all of the features on is my Leica M-D ... I say almost because I've yet to use "continuous drive mode" other than to test it.

 

I'm very happy to see the X1D finally shipping to customers and look forward to seeing a final spec example in the flesh some time soon. If a 22mm-ish lens surfaces in the next year, it's going to be a very hard camera for me to resist buying. It is not in any way whatever a one-for-one replacement for my SL, for a page long list of reasons, so if I only had the opportunity and money to buy one of them, well, I have it already.

Edited January 10, 2017 by ramarren