edwardkaraa Posted July 29, 2016 Share #81 Posted July 29, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) With regard to the M camera body, I say leave out the autofocus, image stabilization and auto sensor cleaning. Keep it traditional, including the body's dimensions. Add this, add that and before long the M will start to resemble the Mamiya 7 II. No, thanks... Well said, Carlos. Same thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjh Posted July 29, 2016 Share #82 Posted July 29, 2016 I'm surprised at the amount and variety of "suggestions" on how to change the M into something it is not. Is nobody happy with him M as it is? Why did you buy it in the first place? Yes, these ‘The M would be such a great camera if only it was totally different from what it is now’ posts are mildly irritating. Now a couple of years ago one could have argued that Leica had nothing to offer for those who did love Leica’s lenses but weren’t exactly enamoured with rangefinders. But now there is a medium-format DSLR system, two mirrorless systems with different sensor sizes but sharing the same mount, and the X and Q lines of compact cameras. If a rangefinder doesn’t float your boat, surely you will find a better alternative in Leica’s portfolio? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 29, 2016 Share #83 Posted July 29, 2016 All Leica cameras except the M are for those who prefer AF; the M is for those who do not. Indeed. I have an X typ 113 .. It has a fine lens, produces beautiful photographs, but I much prefer the M-D typ 262 fitted with a 35mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica5 Posted July 29, 2016 Share #84 Posted July 29, 2016 / Yes, these ‘The M would be such a great camera if only it was totally different from what it is now’ posts are mildly irritating. Now a couple of years ago one could have argued that Leica had nothing to offer for those who did love Leica’s lenses but weren’t exactly enamoured with rangefinders. But now there is a medium-format DSLR system, two mirrorless systems with different sensor sizes but sharing the same mount, and the X and Q lines of compact cameras. If a rangefinder doesn’t float your boat, surely you will find a better alternative in Leica’s portfolio? Thank you for thoughtful post,I wonder if M remain stagnant by changing polka dots and body trim without embracing newdigital innovations then IMO it would be on slippery slope; who are the folks buying Manual focus camera-Leica; any body has demographics? What got leica resurrected M9,I suspect Leica is profitable by selling AF camera to sustain M production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 29, 2016 Share #85 Posted July 29, 2016 I even downgraded from the M240 to the M262 and couldn't be happier. I hope Leica will keep on offering "light" versions of their main M models. I would have loved an M-D but I do need that LCD from time to time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 29, 2016 Share #86 Posted July 29, 2016 I'm surprised at the amount and variety of "suggestions" on how to change the M into something it is not. Is nobody happy with him M as it is? Why did you buy it in the first place? My thoughts exactly. If people do not like the M as it is, there are plenty of other alternatives available in the marketplace. In thinking about this, I have to wonder if perhaps some folks have purchased what is for them the wrong camera. This makes me wonder why they made the purchase to begin with; were they attempting to purchase prestige? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 29, 2016 Share #87 Posted July 29, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Answer: Same as the Q since it will have that sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted July 29, 2016 Share #88 Posted July 29, 2016 I dont think so (answering original question). The demand for IS was there for M in this forum before SL was introduced. Most probably IS will be in SL at some point but not needed in M IMHO. The following shot is at 1/15sec handheld. Quite sharp at 1:1 viewing. (every thread needs some pictures. ) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261137-what-are-the-chances-that-the-new-m-will-have-inbuilt-is/?do=findComment&comment=3087525'>More sharing options...
sblutter Posted July 29, 2016 Share #89 Posted July 29, 2016 In recent versions of proper Photoshop there's a camera movement repair tool that works remarkably well with several settings. Can bring an unusable shot back from the dead in many cases. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/reduce-camera-shake-induced-blurring.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share #90 Posted July 30, 2016 Yes, these ‘The M would be such a great camera if only it was totally different from what it is now’ posts are mildly irritating. The M is already a great camera, but you should ask Leica directly why they keep 'improving' the M by releasing future models if it is already perfect to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 30, 2016 Share #91 Posted July 30, 2016 In recent versions of proper Photoshop there's a camera movement repair tool that works remarkably well with several settings. Can bring an unusable shot back from the dead in many cases. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/reduce-camera-shake-induced-blurring.html Yes, but I find that the FocusMagic plugin works better - and it has been around for well over a decade. http://www.focusmagic.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted July 31, 2016 Share #92 Posted July 31, 2016 Well put! Yes, these ‘The M would be such a great camera if only it was totally different from what it is now’ posts are mildly irritating. Now a couple of years ago one could have argued that Leica had nothing to offer for those who did love Leica’s lenses but weren’t exactly enamoured with rangefinders. But now there is a medium-format DSLR system, two mirrorless systems with different sensor sizes but sharing the same mount, and the X and Q lines of compact cameras. If a rangefinder doesn’t float your boat, surely you will find a better alternative in Leica’s portfolio? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share #93 Posted July 31, 2016 Well put! Kodak agrees with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 3, 2016 Share #94 Posted August 3, 2016 ZERO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted August 3, 2016 Share #95 Posted August 3, 2016 The answer : It won't have an inbuilt IS system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted August 3, 2016 Share #96 Posted August 3, 2016 Will it make my whites whiter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted August 4, 2016 Share #97 Posted August 4, 2016 Yes, these ‘The M would be such a great camera if only it was totally different from what it is now’ posts are mildly irritating. Now a couple of years ago one could have argued that Leica had nothing to offer for those who did love Leica’s lenses but weren’t exactly enamoured with rangefinders. But now there is a medium-format DSLR system, two mirrorless systems with different sensor sizes but sharing the same mount, and the X and Q lines of compact cameras. If a rangefinder doesn’t float your boat, surely you will find a better alternative in Leica’s portfolio? Agree. However, I do expect that Leica will do something with the M to improve it while retaining the essence. The sensor will surely change. Though 24mp is fine, newer sensors have greater DR and better high ISO performance. That would not change the esence. Nor would sensor cleaning if it could be included without adding to size or weight. Nor would continuing improvements in the OVF. Or an even quieter shutter. These would be staying on the path rather than wandering into foreign territory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 4, 2016 Share #98 Posted August 4, 2016 Agree. However, I do expect that Leica will do something with the M to improve it while retaining the essence. The sensor will surely change. Though 24mp is fine, newer sensors have greater DR and better high ISO performance. That would not change the esence. Nor would sensor cleaning if it could be included without adding to size or weight. Nor would continuing improvements in the OVF. Or an even quieter shutter. These would be staying on the path rather than wandering into foreign territory. Fully agree with all of the above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share #99 Posted August 5, 2016 Fully agree with all of the above I agree also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 19, 2016 Share #100 Posted August 19, 2016 For those of you who like IBIS, here's an interesting article: https://blog.mingthein.com/2016/08/19/stabilisation-is-good-but-only-up-to-a-point/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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