Mike Rawcs Posted April 30, 2016 Share #401 Posted April 30, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) On order, hope it gets here in time for a trip the end of May. For me, I like the idea of no distractions, no explanations, just an old camera for taking snapshots that I like. My personal shooting style when using Leica is more aligned with the film M bodies than the digital ones, meaning I chimp very little and only in tricky lighting. I get >95% correct exposures with film, so a similar digital body will work fine for me. I even used to shoot the old R-D1 with the screen flipped over, back in the days before the M8. As for no explanations, Leicas are less threatening than DSLRs, and film Leicas even less so. When you have no screen, you can't be a pro in most people's minds. Just an old man with an old film camera taking snapshots, nothing to see here. Black lacquer - well, I would have preferred silver chrome for the full retro look, but maybe this will be the first digital that I actually brass. Eric +1 but if it had just been the same size as a film camera .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 Hi Mike Rawcs, Take a look here The Leica M-D thread - merged.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jcraf Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share #402 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) The deed is done. My new M-D is now sitting in its box on my desk, waiting to be unpacked and charged up. I'm interested to see that it was built on 22 Apr this year, so it's only a week since it rolled off the line at Wetzlar. To me, it's a thing of absolute beauty, Can't wait to try it in anger. When testing the M-D in Red Dot Cameras today, I reflexively tilted it to look at the back each time I took a shot, so I'll have to ditch that little habit........ I'm off on a 3 day business trip tomorrow, so it will be packed along with a couple of lenses and my Macbook. I'll report back! Edited April 30, 2016 by jcraf 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 30, 2016 Share #403 Posted April 30, 2016 In theory, removing the screen could have allowed them to reduce the thickness of the body since the display pack has to sit behind the sensor. However, the thickness is also determined by things like the battery and SD card slot which will not have changed. Most important of all, this is a niche product and there could have been no justification in redesigning the body to take advantage of there no longer being a display. If the price disappoints, losing the screen and associated hardware removes $100 at most from the material content and it may be the limited volume camera back and ISO setting dial claws that back. At the end of the day, it's a de-contented M240 just as the M262 was. All fine, and I get the point. However, I'm more interested in where they are taking the M forwards instead of into these "essentliche" backwaters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted April 30, 2016 Share #404 Posted April 30, 2016 Not having a screen to chimp begs the question how do you get the exposure bang on with a digital sensor - digital being less forgiving than film? An error in metering won't be seen until you download the results in the processing tool of your choice, presumably LR if you're shooting RAW (which you should be doing of course ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeleica Posted April 30, 2016 Share #405 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) I paid more for less...and I'm so happy I did. I went from Japanese Nikon's that had layers and layers of menus. That I hated everytime I picked up the camera.... wondering how it was set...what was hidden from my view....I got so tired of the bad experience I finally went to Leica. Really? That is not my experience at all. I have a D750 and after I spent no more than an hour adding things to the my menu setting, I found it to be much easier to access the menu than my M240. I love my Leica cameras but I still think Nikon has it perfected and the glass is great too. Not sure I would ever buy the new M-D, it's just not what I would ever want in a digital Leica. Hope they do well with it though. Edited April 30, 2016 by Mikeleica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted April 30, 2016 Share #406 Posted April 30, 2016 Not having a screen to chimp begs the question how do you get the exposure bang on with a digital sensor - digital being less forgiving than film? An error in metering won't be seen until you download the results in the processing tool of your choice, presumably LR if you're shooting RAW (which you should be doing of course ). Practice? Bracketing? I have preview turned off on all my digital cameras. I rarely check shots (but like having a screen available for when I do). If I didn't have a screen I'd do the same thing I do with my film cameras... if in any doubt I bracket the shots. I sometimes even bracket when using an incident light meter. My choice is the M 262. It's right for me. I have no doubt there are shooters who will find the M-D just right for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 30, 2016 Share #407 Posted April 30, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) On order, hope it gets here in time for a trip the end of May. For me, I like the idea of no distractions, no explanations, just an old camera for taking snapshots that I like. My personal shooting style when using Leica is more aligned with the film M bodies than the digital ones, meaning I chimp very little and only in tricky lighting. I get >95% correct exposures with film, so a similar digital body will work fine for me. I even used to shoot the old R-D1 with the screen flipped over, back in the days before the M8. As for no explanations, Leicas are less threatening than DSLRs, and film Leicas even less so. When you have no screen, you can't be a pro in most people's minds. Just an old man with an old film camera taking snapshots, nothing to see here. Black lacquer - well, I would have preferred silver chrome for the full retro look, but maybe this will be the first digital that I actually brass. Eric There is another advantage. A few months ago I was being asked very agressively if I had deleted the pictures I took from a couple in the street of Stuttgart. When I said yes ( I did ) , they wanted to see all my pictures on my screen, in case I had forgotten one. With the M-D such a thing just is not happening anymore. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 30, 2016 Share #408 Posted April 30, 2016 +1 but if it had just been the same size as a film camera .... a few mm is not the problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 30, 2016 Share #409 Posted April 30, 2016 When testing the M-D in Red Dot Cameras today, I reflexively tilted it to look at the back each time I took a shot, so I'll have to ditch that little habit........ Long time ago I asked a street singer with a very loud nice voice: " How do you know for certain, people further in the street can hear you? " He said: " I just know. " You'll forget the screen very quicky. Just like 20 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share #410 Posted April 30, 2016 ... presumably LR if you're shooting RAW (which you should be doing of course ). The M-D can only shoot in RAW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share #411 Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) +1 but if it had just been the same size as a film camera .... Well, it is of course a little bit bigger than a film M. But to me, the lack of screen, buttons and control wheel on the camera's back gets it pretty close to the feel of a film M. All subjective of course, but to me my M-D feels nicer in the hand than any previous digital M. Edited April 30, 2016 by jcraf 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 30, 2016 Share #412 Posted April 30, 2016 ... It always feels to me as though it's a camera more for those who enjoy their cameras and the act of using them, than for people whose first priority is the photograph itself. But my opinion is filtered through my own preferences and experiences, which are no more valid than any others. That's the great advantage of no screen. You don't need to take a battery or worry about SD cards. The camera is lighter, and no one knows you're not actually taking pictures because there's no screen to check. It's the ultimate in simplicity - you don't even need to focus and there's no post processing. Best of all, no one knows what a crap photographer you are and you don't bore everyone with your cat pictures. If you want a car analogy, my Audi is practical and does the job nicely, but if I had the money I wouldn't buy a Nissan GTR, I'd get a Singer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted April 30, 2016 Share #413 Posted April 30, 2016 Really? That is not my experience at all. I have a D750 and after I spent no more than an hour adding things to the my menu setting, I found it to be much easier to access the menu than my M240. I love my Leica cameras but I still think Nikon has it perfected and the glass is great too. Not sure I would ever buy the new M-D, it's just not what I would ever want in a digital Leica. Hope they do well with it though. I couldn't disagree with you more. Nikon all Nikons do too much stuff, you cant see at a glance what your camera is set on . Not so with the M there are only 3 controls....and "settings" one button has the rest on one screen. ...but that just me German is simpler "after I spent no more than an hour adding things to the my menu setting"...What does this mean? ......setting up profiles? Yes there are very many great Nikon lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted April 30, 2016 Share #414 Posted April 30, 2016 Sweet spelling corrector fail, BerndReini. Bolly all round, Hic! Hahaha, I'll be off to an AA meeting I guess. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAK Posted April 30, 2016 Share #415 Posted April 30, 2016 When you take the first 2 or 3 shots, will they be recorded to the SD card or ignored like you're winding on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted April 30, 2016 Share #416 Posted April 30, 2016 Would like to see an M-D / M60 image thread, no outsiders allowed, no pretenders at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2016 Share #417 Posted April 30, 2016 There won't be much difference to M240 images... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2016 Share #418 Posted May 1, 2016 perhaps a good compromise would be to get a MD half case when they're available, put your trusty M240/262 in and then essentially you'll have a camera without a LCD screen...........until you need it. A couple of hundred bucks compared to several thousand spent for a 240/262 sans screen. After all the MD is pretty much the same camera.......but less for more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timde Posted May 1, 2016 Share #419 Posted May 1, 2016 Well, the M262 was billed as being lighter in weight - as light as the M9 was. That was one of the selling point - 100 grams lighter.... Would the top plate from the M262 fit on the M-D? It seems very similar. To be honest, 100g lighter is interesting, and so to is having a red dot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 1, 2016 Share #420 Posted May 1, 2016 Would the top plate from the M262 fit on the M-D? It seems very similar. To be honest, 100g lighter is interesting, and so to is having a red dot. No, it's not the same top plate. The M-D 's has the usefull "Function" button, and M (type 262) no button. Arnaud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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