Paul J Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share #301 Posted January 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It seems Fuji are also launching a Pro Support Service too when the camera is officially launched. They have implemented a full electronic shutter as well as efc. Also, Phase One have back tracked and said they may now offer GFX Support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 9, 2017 Share #302 Posted January 9, 2017 I think the first general GFX will have slow operating issue (slow AF slow shutter) as in their XPro1. let's wait for the gen 2. hahaha The GFX (at least the prototype I used) focused faster than the XPro1. It focused just fine and possibly a bit better than the S which I had with me when I played with the Fuji. This won't be a concern. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 9, 2017 Share #303 Posted January 9, 2017 Also, Phase One have back tracked and said they may now offer GFX Support. That is VERY interesting. Source? I wonder if it's just the Fuji (maybe a deal with Fujifilm) or they've realised there's more money in Capture One than camera sales. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #304 Posted January 9, 2017 Is anyone using Capture One for their 006 or 007? I have an M-D and it looks like C1 does a much better job at handling M files than LR. Plus, I'm not a fan of Adobe's pricing structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBart Posted January 9, 2017 Share #305 Posted January 9, 2017 Where did you hear about that lens? What source do you have? Many would buy it immediately, myself included. Happy New Year, and cheers from Barcelona Manolo About 4-5 years ago Leica had a 30mm TS lens in development but found it too big and expensive. I bought the 006 camera when it first came out. Before buying it, I needed to talk to Leica so they could ensure that the 30mm TS would be coming out. Also, I wanted to be sure I was going to be ok if I needed repairs because I'm a commercial photographer and need my equipment fixed very quickly. I was told by the North America Leica S System representative that the 30mm TS was coming out within a year. I was also told that service was excellent. They were wrong on both. After my first year of using the 006 I found many issues with the camera. Issues that were in the design, not just something breaking. I contacted Leica over and over so they would address the issues. Leica was stubborn so I kept following up until Stephan Schulz (director of the S System & Sinar at the time) came to New York and offered to meet with me to discuss my experiences and address my concerns. The overall conversation came down to that Leica has flaws to fix and they need time because it's a small company with very specialized jobs that take years to train people. Growing pains. Understandable but not the poor customer service for what is paid for their product. Leica seemed aware of that too. I brought up the 30mm TS and he acknowledged it. Said it's a very big lens and too expensive. I said to Stephan that I really needed the lens because it would be my most used lens. I'd pay $12,000 if I had to. Then he asked me if I need the tilt ability. I answered not really because I need it for architecture and just use the shift up and down movements. I also don't overuse the shift movements since I do mostly interior design photography and like to limit my shifts to small amounts. He said that's helpful because it could effect the lens design and perhaps make this possible. Stephan was pushing me toward the Sinar system for architectural. I said that I don't want to buy another system because the S System is expensive enough and I don't want to carry more cameras around since I work on location. I said the purpose of me buying the S System was because it's smaller than most medium format cameras and I was told the 30mm TS would come out. He said he'll have to think on this. I followed up by email just to refresh his memory of the conversation. Fast forward to this last October at the PhotoPlus Expo in New York. I was at the Leica booth and talked to someone who was representing the S System. I mentioned the 30mm TS and how I was disappointed that it never came out. The guy said to hold on because something is happening. He said Leica has had a lot of requests for the 30mm TS and it's a reality from what he's hearing. I think this may end up being a 30mm PC lens instead of TS. I can't say this is 100% yet because I've been told this was happening before. All I can say is that I'll be the first person on the list to buy it if/when it comes out. Best, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #306 Posted January 9, 2017 Is anyone using Capture One for their 006 or 007? I have an M-D and it looks like C1 does a much better job at handling M files than LR. Plus, I'm not a fan of Adobe's pricing structure. One *can* use C1, and I've done it with both 006 and 007 files, but since the S is not supported, I won't make it a part of my standard workflow. That is, it's possible now, but might become impossible with no notice. The default profiles are not bad - certainly not inferior to Adobe's! --Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #307 Posted January 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) One *can* use C1, and I've done it with both 006 and 007 files, but since the S is not supported, I won't make it a part of my standard workflow. That is, it's possible now, but might become impossible with no notice. The default profiles are not bad - certainly not inferior to Adobe's! --Matt Appreciate the input. Honestly, both the 006 and 007 files look better in C1 on my screen than they do in LR. I plan to work on them a bit this coming weekend to compare prints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #308 Posted January 9, 2017 Printing from C1 is tricky. I'd save as TIFF and print from somewhere you're used to. Or experiment. Disclaimer: I haven't tried C1 v.10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmphoto Posted January 9, 2017 Share #309 Posted January 9, 2017 I also use the S 006 for architecture - exclusively. I have for some years now, having started with Leica with an S2 I bought as a backup to my H3DII-39 with HTS (the HTS I found was an adequate, but less than ideal solution). My commitment to Leica was in part solidified by the TS/PC lens they announced, and was disappointed when I heard that it had been dropped. So this is welcome news and I will hope that it's true. I'll be right behind you on the order list. Richard About 4-5 years ago Leica had a 30mm TS lens in development but found it too big and expensive. I bought the 006 camera when it first came out. Before buying it, I needed to talk to Leica so they could ensure that the 30mm TS would be coming out. Also, I wanted to be sure I was going to be ok if I needed repairs because I'm a commercial photographer and need my equipment fixed very quickly. I was told by the North America Leica S System representative that the 30mm TS was coming out within a year. I was also told that service was excellent. They were wrong on both. After my first year of using the 006 I found many issues with the camera. Issues that were in the design, not just something breaking. I contacted Leica over and over so they would address the issues. Leica was stubborn so I kept following up until Stephan Schulz (director of the S System & Sinar at the time) came to New York and offered to meet with me to discuss my experiences and address my concerns. The overall conversation came down to that Leica has flaws to fix and they need time because it's a small company with very specialized jobs that take years to train people. Growing pains. Understandable but not the poor customer service for what is paid for their product. Leica seemed aware of that too. I brought up the 30mm TS and he acknowledged it. Said it's a very big lens and too expensive. I said to Stephan that I really needed the lens because it would be my most used lens. I'd pay $12,000 if I had to. Then he asked me if I need the tilt ability. I answered not really because I need it for architecture and just use the shift up and down movements. I also don't overuse the shift movements since I do mostly interior design photography and like to limit my shifts to small amounts. He said that's helpful because it could effect the lens design and perhaps make this possible. Stephan was pushing me toward the Sinar system for architectural. I said that I don't want to buy another system because the S System is expensive enough and I don't want to carry more cameras around since I work on location. I said the purpose of me buying the S System was because it's smaller than most medium format cameras and I was told the 30mm TS would come out. He said he'll have to think on this. I followed up by email just to refresh his memory of the conversation. Fast forward to this last October at the PhotoPlus Expo in New York. I was at the Leica booth and talked to someone who was representing the S System. I mentioned the 30mm TS and how I was disappointed that it never came out. The guy said to hold on because something is happening. He said Leica has had a lot of requests for the 30mm TS and it's a reality from what he's hearing. I think this may end up being a 30mm PC lens instead of TS. I can't say this is 100% yet because I've been told this was happening before. All I can say is that I'll be the first person on the list to buy it if/when it comes out. Best, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted January 9, 2017 Share #310 Posted January 9, 2017 I also use the S 006 for architecture - exclusively. I have for some years now, having started with Leica with an S2 I bought as a backup to my H3DII-39 with HTS (the HTS I found was an adequate, but less than ideal solution). My commitment to Leica was in part solidified by the TS/PC lens they announced, and was disappointed when I heard that it had been dropped. So this is welcome news and I will hope that it's true. I'll be right behind you on the order list. Richard And I will be 3rd on that list... :-) Herr Stephan Schulz, are you reading this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted January 9, 2017 Share #311 Posted January 9, 2017 About 4-5 years ago Leica had a 30mm TS lens in development but found it too big and expensive. I bought the 006 camera when it first came out. Before buying it, I needed to talk to Leica so they could ensure that the 30mm TS would be coming out. Also, I wanted to be sure I was going to be ok if I needed repairs because I'm a commercial photographer and need my equipment fixed very quickly. I was told by the North America Leica S System representative that the 30mm TS was coming out within a year. I was also told that service was excellent. They were wrong on both. After my first year of using the 006 I found many issues with the camera. Issues that were in the design, not just something breaking. I contacted Leica over and over so they would address the issues. Leica was stubborn so I kept following up until Stephan Schulz (director of the S System & Sinar at the time) came to New York and offered to meet with me to discuss my experiences and address my concerns. The overall conversation came down to that Leica has flaws to fix and they need time because it's a small company with very specialized jobs that take years to train people. Growing pains. Understandable but not the poor customer service for what is paid for their product. Leica seemed aware of that too. I brought up the 30mm TS and he acknowledged it. Said it's a very big lens and too expensive. I said to Stephan that I really needed the lens because it would be my most used lens. I'd pay $12,000 if I had to. Then he asked me if I need the tilt ability. I answered not really because I need it for architecture and just use the shift up and down movements. I also don't overuse the shift movements since I do mostly interior design photography and like to limit my shifts to small amounts. He said that's helpful because it could effect the lens design and perhaps make this possible. Stephan was pushing me toward the Sinar system for architectural. I said that I don't want to buy another system because the S System is expensive enough and I don't want to carry more cameras around since I work on location. I said the purpose of me buying the S System was because it's smaller than most medium format cameras and I was told the 30mm TS would come out. He said he'll have to think on this. I followed up by email just to refresh his memory of the conversation. Fast forward to this last October at the PhotoPlus Expo in New York. I was at the Leica booth and talked to someone who was representing the S System. I mentioned the 30mm TS and how I was disappointed that it never came out. The guy said to hold on because something is happening. He said Leica has had a lot of requests for the 30mm TS and it's a reality from what he's hearing. I think this may end up being a 30mm PC lens instead of TS. I can't say this is 100% yet because I've been told this was happening before. All I can say is that I'll be the first person on the list to buy it if/when it comes out. Best, Paul Thank you very much for your detailed answer! I agree with you in many aspects regarding the S system, because I am a professional photographer as well, specialized in landscape and architecture. My main tool for many years was the 4x5 and 8x10 view cameras, and in the last film years a 6x12 Silvestri. I spoke with Stephan Schulz too, in relation with the 30 PC. He contacted me because my 30-90 zoom, just bought, was off, and he offered an exchange... I explained him how vital the 30 PC is. And I told him about only a shift function, which would be easier than both shift and tilt. I work routinely with the Super-Angulon 28 PC-R on the M240 and the M246, and I don't need tilting at all. He said a 30 TS lens would be too expensive. I answered: "What about the 50 Summicron Apo? And about the 30-90 zoom? And about any lens for Alpa or Arca-Swiss medium format cameras? I would buy a S 30 PC IMMEDIATELY, whatever the price. And I am sure many more would do the same." I very much hope you are right! This 30 PC would be my most used lens. Even if it would weight 2 kg (something I doubt...) it would fit, because with the S it would be less cumbersome than a 4x5 view camera, and much more agile. We don't need it to be weather sealed, neither... I have this shifting adapter made in Munich by Herr Zörk for Pentax 6x7 lenses, with the 45mm. But a 45 is too narrow... BTW: which design issues do you find the S006 has? For me it is a very nice camera... Anyway, thank you again for your kind answer. Kind regards from Barcelona, Manolo Laguillo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted January 9, 2017 Share #312 Posted January 9, 2017 Again speaking about that prospective 30 PC for the S, let me express a wish: it should be possible to mount directly the lens on the tripod head, in order to shift the camera body, for avoiding parallax errors when stitching. The new Super-Angulon 28 PC features it. Actually, it could be a 28 instead a 30... why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted January 9, 2017 Share #313 Posted January 9, 2017 I too would be very excited if Leica offered such a lens. I do architectural images a lot. I'd personally only need shift, no tilt needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted January 10, 2017 Share #314 Posted January 10, 2017 28mm shift lens for the S, it would have to be a behemoth of a lens. 28mm with image circle large enough to cover 12mm shift up and down on the S (even 6mm) and SLR lens design (not sure what lens type it will be ,but will definitely held in a lens barrel jacket) will but very very very interesting. Anyway, GFX has the potential to effectively solve all your tilt shift problem. with short flange and a smallish adaptor to shift (think ALPA FPS with Contax shift electrical adaptor), I am hoping that it will make all leica Glass shiftable. Then, leica S is interesting.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 10, 2017 Share #315 Posted January 10, 2017 Below is what a second hand S system is worth in the UK................ Yesterday I contacted a Hasselblad dealer in the UK to trade my S007 System plus 3 lenses for a H6D-100 below is the response; Sir I am interested in buying a New Hasselblad H6D-100 and using the Hasselblad trade in program using my Leica S007 (only one month old) plus Leica S30mm (CS) 70mm and 120mm (CS) lenses. Regards Neil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Neil, The current UK list price for the H6D-100C is £23900 + vat, we’d be able to it for £13900 + vat after taking your Leica equipment in part-exchange assuming it’s all complete and in good condition. If we were to export to Nigeria, no vat is chargeable. Would you need any lenses to go with the Hasselblad? Please advise. Kind regards, xxxxxx -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear xxxxx Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately I am not prepared to let my Leica system with a new price of 30 plus grand (new price) go for ten grand. I would be looking for two lenses to start with the 150mm and 24mm. Regards Neil ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, it’s the best we can do for the part-ex. We can supply the cameras and the two lenses without the trade in for: H6D-100c £23900 HC 24mm £4690 HC 150mm £2790 Sub-Total £31380 Discount - £3138 Total £28242 Kind regards xxxxxx So there you have it, I guess I will just hold onto my S System and pick up the H6D-100 in April when I am back in the UK visiting my grandson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBabyEarl Posted January 10, 2017 Share #316 Posted January 10, 2017 You totally should sell it and join a hasselblad forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 10, 2017 Share #317 Posted January 10, 2017 You totally should sell it and join a hasselblad forum. Joined already...............and you wont get rid of me that easlly as I still have the SL and will still have my S system too,.............................. so your going to have to put up with my BS for a wee bitty longer :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted January 10, 2017 Share #318 Posted January 10, 2017 price will have gone up by then, post Art 50 notification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 11, 2017 Share #319 Posted January 11, 2017 Yesterday I contacted a Hasselblad dealer in the UK to trade my S007 System plus 3 lenses for a H6D-100 below is the response; I guess you don't really believe your own recent words.... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266999-battle-of-the-bokeh-with-s-lenses/?p=3176554 Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 11, 2017 Share #320 Posted January 11, 2017 Neil, just stick with your digital S and SL systems, and Haselblad film camera. You've always been happy with the images. Consider updating in a few years when you think you've got your money's worth out of your existing gear and be happy that you've got exceptionally good equipment. There will always be a new and shiny system around the corner but it won't make your good photography better. 'GAS' doesn't adequately describe gear fetish in your case ;-). Your photographic gear 'arms race' will only ever have one outcome: financial victory for the manufacturers :-( Regards Mark :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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