icqcq Posted February 20, 2016 Share #21 Posted February 20, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hate straps. Never use them. Always in the wrong place at the wrong time catching on the immovable object and flinging the glass+brass to the ground. Annoyances, all.* I resent bags as well. Use them only for secure transport, rain protection, and concealment/camouflage/cover. *that said: the Benz series looks like beautifully crafted objects whose sole responsibility is to be a beautifuller flinger of glass+brass to the ground I'm only sayin, Sparky. I'm only sayin.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Herr Barnack Posted February 20, 2016 Share #22 Posted February 20, 2016 Who is Harry? I didn't even know what brand my straps are. I had to go look. I have a Domke on my M4-P and a LowePro on my M9P. They keep the camera around my neck. Sometimes here, I feel like just one of the peasants peering through the gate at the Palace of Versailles sometime before the French Revolution. I always had Domke straps on all of my cameras - they are seriously sturdy. I still have them on my XPAN and Nikonos V. There's nothing wrong with Domke straps. I just wanted something a little nicer for my Safari, that's all. No snobbery or elitism intended, just trying to treat my favorite camera right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger's cat Posted February 20, 2016 Share #23 Posted February 20, 2016 I use this, it is quite practical as one can cut a large number of straps from it. 005401 TOUW BOLLETJE BINDTOUW 100 MTR.jpg It's also useful for dog walking and babysitting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share #24 Posted February 20, 2016 Hate straps. Never use them. Always in the wrong place at the wrong time catching on the immovable object and flinging the glass+brass to the ground. Annoyances, all.* I resent bags as well. Use them only for secure transport, rain protection, and concealment/camouflage/cover. *that said: the Benz series looks like beautifully crafted objects whose sole responsibility is to be a beautifuller flinger of glass+brass to the ground I'm only sayin, Sparky. I'm only sayin.... I wouldn't live with out a strap Im afraid of dropping my camera....I feel safer when it's attached........So what do you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted February 20, 2016 Share #25 Posted February 20, 2016 Up and until I bought my M-P Safari Set I have always been happy with the OE straps. For the Safari I decided to purchase a hand made red braided parachute quality strap. Looks nice.. I figured the OE strap was best left in the box..(I have previously posted an image of the Safari & it's (flashy) strap... It's very rarely around my neck, mostly wrapped around my arm/wrist.. To each his own, the best protection is a good insurance policy.. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/256332-the-harry-benz/?do=findComment&comment=2992952'>More sharing options...
Soden Posted February 20, 2016 Share #26 Posted February 20, 2016 Out of interest, how (or why) did you acquire several straps that are all too short for you? Anyway, you could give them to people who would appreciate them, and make a few people happy including yourself. They make good wrist strap. But sometimes I wanted a cross body strap... To make a long story short, needs change. I am shedding some of my extra gear. I've given away a couple of bags. Haven't gone as far as straps yet.., By the way, Harry Benz makes a great cross body/wrist strap combo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 20, 2016 Share #27 Posted February 20, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Up and until I bought my M-P Safari Set I have always been happy with the OE straps. For the Safari I decided to purchase a hand made red braided parachute quality strap. Looks nice.. I figured the OE strap was best left in the box..(I have previously posted an image of the Safari & it's (flashy) strap... It's very rarely around my neck, mostly wrapped around my arm/wrist.. To each his own, the best protection is a good insurance policy.. And this is not flashy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 20, 2016 Share #28 Posted February 20, 2016 It's also useful for dog walking and babysitting. If I were to have the misfortune of babysitting forced upon me, I think I would prefer duct tape over a ball of twine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger's cat Posted February 20, 2016 Share #29 Posted February 20, 2016 If I were to have the misfortune of babysitting forced upon me, I think I would prefer duct tape over a ball of twine. This is a bit like sensor cleaning. We each have our preferred methods. My personal experience has been that the little beggars scream louder when removing duct tape than when removing twine, which I find annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
icqcq Posted February 20, 2016 Share #30 Posted February 20, 2016 As to not using a strap: I use a pair of split-rings sequenced onto the right-hand lug for the M240: my ring finger goes through the second one in the series (bought one that fit: something like a size 9 or 10), and the camera is secure, although it does make shaking hands that bit more awkward... and if someone really wants to mug me for the camera, although he is likely psychologically prepared to slice a strap, he is probably not ready to dock a finger. If he is, I'm in the wrong part of town. As to 'OMG! Relying on a single lug!!'... all straps rely on a single lug: if one of the lugs blows out while your camera is on a long strap - unless you have outrageous reflexes - your camera is going to hit the floor. It's the same idea as a standard style watch strap: if one pin goes out, the second one isn't going to do anything about keeping your watch on your wrist, and no one's come up with a decent M240 NATO strap. Whenever I'm using the rings on my M240, however, the camera is in my hand, so even if the lug loosens, the camera is unlikely to be going anywhere. When the camera is not in hand, it is resting on a solid, horizontal surface under adult supervision, or in a holster, or secured in a bag (meaning that I have no anticipation of shooting anything anytime soon). Bags are never a standard 'shoulder strap' style bag, either: again with the loose cannon on deck: all that mass just waiting for the opportunity to do something awkward. For a bag, I prefer the discreet daypack or fannypack, secured to my person: no pendulum effect permitted. Straps are traditional, and taken for granted. If a strap works for you, that's grand, but there are other solutions out there, and I've discovered or developed a few that I prefer: I prefer my camera secured, either in-hand, or in a known, fixed, solid location: none of this flopping about stuff. Part of my thinking about this, years ago, was noting a police officer's pistol on his belt: the police don't hang their pistols on lanyards and wander about: that tool is kept in one location, and they know precisely where that is (whereas their tool is dangerous, mine is simply expensive, but the desire for security is the same). That made sense to me, and after a strap interfering with a shot or a camera swinging about wildly one time too often, I started actively seeking and working out solutions. Sorry: not intended to hijack, but not to ignore ECohen's courteous question (plus, seeing how widely the conversation had ranged...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share #31 Posted February 20, 2016 As to not using a strap: I use a pair of split-rings sequenced onto the right-hand lug for the M240: my ring finger goes through the second one in the series (bought one that fit: something like a size 9 or 10), and the camera is secure, although it does make shaking hands that bit more awkward... and if someone really wants to mug me for the camera, although he is likely psychologically prepared to slice a strap, he is probably not ready to dock a finger. If he is, I'm in the wrong part of town. As to 'OMG! Relying on a single lug!!'... all straps rely on a single lug: if one of the lugs blows out while your camera is on a long strap - unless you have outrageous reflexes - your camera is going to hit the floor. It's the same idea as a standard style watch strap: if one pin goes out, the second one isn't going to do anything about keeping your watch on your wrist, and no one's come up with a decent M240 NATO strap. Whenever I'm using the rings on my M240, however, the camera is in my hand, so even if the lug loosens, the camera is unlikely to be going anywhere. When the camera is not in hand, it is resting on a solid, horizontal surface under adult supervision, or in a holster, or secured in a bag (meaning that I have no anticipation of shooting anything anytime soon). Bags are never a standard 'shoulder strap' style bag, either: again with the loose cannon on deck: all that mass just waiting for the opportunity to do something awkward. For a bag, I prefer the discreet daypack or fannypack, secured to my person: no pendulum effect permitted. Straps are traditional, and taken for granted. If a strap works for you, that's grand, but there are other solutions out there, and I've discovered or developed a few that I prefer: I prefer my camera secured, either in-hand, or in a known, fixed, solid location: none of this flopping about stuff. Part of my thinking about this, years ago, was noting a police officer's pistol on his belt: the police don't hang their pistols on lanyards and wander about: that tool is kept in one location, and they know precisely where that is (whereas their tool is dangerous, mine is simply expensive, but the desire for security is the same). That made sense to me, and after a strap interfering with a shot or a camera swinging about wildly one time too often, I started actively seeking and working out solutions. Sorry: not intended to hijack, but not to ignore ECohen's courteous question (plus, seeing how widely the conversation had ranged...) Thanks I see your point especially as you say "'mine is simply expensive, but the desire for security is the same" I'm a strap across the chest guy because its what I've always done and it comfortable for walking all day. I also stopped caring big bags because of the weight. I am very a tuned to seeing someones camera sitting on the edge of a table with the strap hanging 1/2 off ....Ive come up to strangers flipped the strap onto the table and with a smile say "its an accident waiting to happen" So for walking about you have come up with a holster....interesting? that worth a look Thanks for your kind response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
icqcq Posted February 21, 2016 Share #32 Posted February 21, 2016 ECohen: Yes, the goal of the police officer and I is the same, when it comes to securing our tools: keeping them away from those who aren't permitted, preventing accidents, and knowing where that essential tool is at any given moment. No: for walking about, the camera is in-hand. I likely also have a daypack or fannypack or, in the backcountry, a chestpack on me with other essentials, and as a place to stash the camera when necessary, but the camera is in-hand. I suppose I'm not really a 'casual' photographer: either I'm shooting, or I'm not shooting: in-hand and ready, or tucked away safe. The holster is just what it sounds like: it's a holster for a camera. I had my first one custom-made* fifteen years ago by a company that specialized in holsters; looking at it now, they were rank amateurs, but it served its purpose. Now I form my own, using whatever is necessary and appropriate, including the latest practically non-existent iteration - another stroke of idiocy or insight - which would simply APPALL the Strapists were they even to overhear a whispered description.... I use it primarily when I'm working in a controlled environment where I may need my hands free, but require the camera ready to hand. I'm the guy who wanders the hardware store pulling apparently random things together to make something better than a kit. Relying on the traditional, using what someone else has thought up is often sufficient, but I hadn't found any such combinations suitable to my own persnickitiness, so I fashion my own. Of course, I'm shooting a manual-focus, manual-expose rangefinder: I'm interested in process, I'm interested in working at things, not just pushing a button, not just buying the kit; if I was, I'd be shooting latest-version Canons and Nikons and driving an automatic transmission SUV and rocking a GShock, but I don't mind being a little more involved. Involvement is, for me, pleasure. *to give them something to work with, I shipped them a plaster cast of my M6TTL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 21, 2016 Share #33 Posted February 21, 2016 ECohen: Yes, the goal of the police officer and I is the same, when it comes to securing our tools: keeping them away from those who aren't permitted, preventing accidents, and knowing where that essential tool is at any given moment. The holster is just what it sounds like: it's a holster for a camera. I had my first one custom-made* fifteen years ago by a company that specialized in holsters; looking at it now, they were rank amateurs, but it served its purpose. Now I form my own, using whatever is necessary and appropriate, including the latest practically non-existent iteration - another stroke of idiocy or insight - which would simply APPALL the Strapists were they even to overhear a whispered description.... I use it primarily when I'm working in a controlled environment where I may need my hands free, but require the camera ready to hand. Oh, h*ll, let's go ahead and hijack the thread... I'd sure love to see your holster... d'ya think you could post some photos of it? It sounds pretty ingenious... especially if you've built it from common hardware store stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
icqcq Posted February 21, 2016 Share #34 Posted February 21, 2016 hepcat, dude: And incur the angst of the Strappist Monks?! I've seen what happens around here when one goes off-topic, let alone off-strap! Maybe we should start two other topics: Carry: Working Scenarios, and Carry: Transport & Lenses. I was actually thinking about this in earnest this morning, and looked at a couple of existing threads, but since ECohen started this thread, and ECohen encouraged this hijacking, I continued apace.... And I'm being curiously coy because I'm being curiously jealously protective of my carry system, in part because I don't feel that my thinking (or system) is complete, in part because I have little to no interest in defending what I've done... I am, however, confident that the methods by which my camera is secured is no less secure than the inherited 1" nylon strap strung through a couple of split-rings, to which few people have given a first thought, let alone a second. Conversely, were we to meet in person and you were to ask how my strapless camera levitated at my waist, I wouldn't hesitate to chat your ear off about it, so there's that. So let me think about your request. And we can think about starting a couple of new threads. ps: the hardware store was a broader description of my approach to problem solving: this system is built up out of a combination of camera store and other niche store items Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 21, 2016 Share #35 Posted February 21, 2016 Strappist Monks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share #36 Posted February 21, 2016 Aren't you all a nice bunch of guys ...caring about hijacking my post ....cool thanks for last word. I have an 8 week wait on the best strap on the planet ...yep that's a fact ....I'm hoping Harry takes pity on me and delivers in 7 weeks ...for that he deserves a shout out ...seriously if you haven't heard of Harry Benz google him he makes the best camera strap on the planet bar none...no kidding!!! He makes Art from water buffalo hide. OK I have said all I have to say, so feel free to hijack my thread. I too want to see a photo of your holster...I'm open and I could change. To all viewing hijack away How do you carry your camera? And thanks Hep...were bonding ;-) I'm open to a small gas mask style bag that holds a camera and 2 lenses....and weighs nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 21, 2016 Share #37 Posted February 21, 2016 Oh, h*ll, let's go ahead and hijack the thread... I'd sure love to see your holster... d'ya think you could post some photos of it? It sounds pretty ingenious... especially if you've built it from common hardware store stuff. There are plenty of holsters on the market, no need for DIY. This one is probably one of the best: http://www.johnamietphotographer.com.au/Streetshooterinfo.html It has the advantage of being designed by our moderator Erl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
icqcq Posted February 21, 2016 Share #38 Posted February 21, 2016 Jaap: That is the first 'other' holster I've ever seen! Of course, my guess is that Erl did, indeed, first Do It Himself, just as I Did It Myself, and am enjoying the process immensely. Who knows, I might have invented a better mousetrap. Or he might have. Or someone else has, whose holster we have yet to see... [insert objections to description of LeicaM as a mouse here: { }] On that note, here are a few photos of my first holster, as formed by 'the experts': you'll note the curious choices in construction, most importantly that the front is held to the back with only 1.5" of material (not really visible in these photos: below the RapidWinder lever), and the two screws. The Kydex is wrapped from the back, around the bottom, and up the front, attached across the top with two tensioning screws... logically, you would have wrapped the Kydex from the back of the camera, around the left side of the body, and up the front, using the tensioning screws as they are arranged at the top of the camera, and leaving the bottom mostly open for the RapidWinder Lever. Also note the Sling from Lutz Konermann (good thinker, that man). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And a view with the camera seated, held only by a bit of friction and a lot of gravity: A view from the side, with the paddle: it tucks inside the trousers, with a little hook there to keep it from being accidentally lifted off: And how it rides (vertically, vs. Erl's horizontal holster): As I said, it worked for years, although in retrospect it terrifies me. My own version of this is a much more substantial piece of kit, befitting an M240+. A note on both this and Erl's: the lens is held pointing straight out: the minimal approach, as it keeps the mass of the body close to your own mass, but... but... but... but you'll of course remember that the war photographers (I miss Bob Capa dammit, despite the fact he died before I was born) - with the cameras on straps! - used to wear their cameras turned around the other way: lens towards the body, an approach that I've partially adopted in my latest version: the lens no longer serves as the first point of contact when running headlong into things, as I am wont, nor things running into me, as they are wont. Yes, the liability of a fixed object is that it can not move away from a force in contact with it, as can a camera on a strap. [Counterpoint: the camera on a strap often serves as the object in motion towards another, fixed, object.] Discuss. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And a view with the camera seated, held only by a bit of friction and a lot of gravity: A view from the side, with the paddle: it tucks inside the trousers, with a little hook there to keep it from being accidentally lifted off: And how it rides (vertically, vs. Erl's horizontal holster): As I said, it worked for years, although in retrospect it terrifies me. My own version of this is a much more substantial piece of kit, befitting an M240+. A note on both this and Erl's: the lens is held pointing straight out: the minimal approach, as it keeps the mass of the body close to your own mass, but... but... but... but you'll of course remember that the war photographers (I miss Bob Capa dammit, despite the fact he died before I was born) - with the cameras on straps! - used to wear their cameras turned around the other way: lens towards the body, an approach that I've partially adopted in my latest version: the lens no longer serves as the first point of contact when running headlong into things, as I am wont, nor things running into me, as they are wont. Yes, the liability of a fixed object is that it can not move away from a force in contact with it, as can a camera on a strap. [Counterpoint: the camera on a strap often serves as the object in motion towards another, fixed, object.] Discuss. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/256332-the-harry-benz/?do=findComment&comment=2993781'>More sharing options...
faxao Posted February 21, 2016 Share #39 Posted February 21, 2016 Blackrapid Metro for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted February 22, 2016 Share #40 Posted February 22, 2016 Not a holster and not a way to shoot from your hip, but a similar idea for attaching your camera to your belt, bag strap, etc., is this: https://www.peakdesign.com/product/clips/capture/ I like it because the camera is held lens down. I realize that would be a negative for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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