Bill Livingston Posted January 28, 2016 Share #21 Posted January 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) You are missing nothing , in fact what you are not missing is brain cells. The amount of silly little picky things some people go on and on about is just unreal. 100 grams of weight, the sound of a shutter, 7mm of body thickness, placement of a silly button, it just goes on and on, today I have a guy in my town posted on Kijiji, wants to trade a perfectly good M240 plus a brand new 28mm summicron aspherical for a new in box M262. His logic is that he does not need the live view and movie feature . As if the M240 forces him to use those features. This obsession that Leica users have over the bloody sound of the shutter, or the 50 grams of weight??? I just do not get it. I have owned over a 100 cameras in my life I have yet to put one on a scale. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if I was on my own wondering exactly this. I've never come across such a collection of complainers as on here. Thankfully, there are are a number of sensible people making interesting and informative posts, or producing interesting work, which keep me coming back... Some though... Jeez... I sometimes wonder why they bought Leica in the first place... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Hi Bill Livingston, Take a look here M typ 262... weight... conspiracy theory needed?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
kkonkkrete Posted January 28, 2016 Share #22 Posted January 28, 2016 Hold on a moment! Not everyone interested in the M262 already owns a M240! I personally appreciate the fact that there is a cheaper, lighter, quieter, stills only M that I can save for and hopefully buy, maybe even this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 28, 2016 Share #23 Posted January 28, 2016 And if I didn't already have a M-P 240 I would consider a 262 as well... particularly if I had come from an M8 or M9... But my M-P was my first digital Leica, and although I have it set up a profile which basically duplicates the 262's functionality, the benefit of having the extra features have proved absolutely indispensable from time to time. I wouldn't change to an M9 or 262 now I have experienced these benefits, however infrequently, under any circumstances... nor would I buy a new M series camera at the next launch. My M-P will last me a number of years yet... it's basically a perfect camera... for me. Butthat wasn't what I was saying... I was agreeing with Artin's post about the incessant complainers...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted January 28, 2016 Share #24 Posted January 28, 2016 It is not about complains, it is about dreams... It cost nothing and it eases the mood... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 28, 2016 Share #25 Posted January 28, 2016 My view is that the M 262 is the M camera of choice at the moment. The rationale for Live View for me was always the promise of being able to focus more accurately than was possible on an M8 or M9, especially those which had never been back to Leica to benefit from the refined alignment process. As it turned out, the rangefinder accuracy of the M240 was improved to such an extent that Live View became redundant for traditional M photography though of course it does convey benefits for longer and wider lenses and for macro. Leica also painted themselves into a corner using a level of EVF technology which was obsolescent before it was even shipped with no upgrade path. Once you do Live View, video comes out in the wash even though it's of little interest for many (most?) M photographers. So, I like the fact the M 262 really does concentrate on the essentials and the lighter weight and lower cost are a bonus. It will be interesting to see, in this Photokina year, whether there is another new M body or whether the focus is shifting so much towards the SL that the M is beginning to be marginalised. I'm waiting with interest to see what the R solution turns out to be and whether the R to SL adapter offers anything more than a simple lens adapter. That might push me towards it because I find R lenses, of which I have amassed a modest collection of 10 or 12, are not great to use on an M. In the meantime, as someone who is used to carrying a couple of big Nikons and 3 or four lenses in a backpack, any M, not matter how heavy, is a welcome relief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted January 28, 2016 Share #26 Posted January 28, 2016 In the meantime, as someone who is used to carrying a couple of big Nikons and 3 or four lenses in a backpack, any M, not matter how heavy, is a welcome relief. Amen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 28, 2016 Share #27 Posted January 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) After having used the SL for a couple of days, I want a joystick to move the that square around the screen for focus evaluation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #28 Posted January 28, 2016 You are missing nothing , in fact what you are not missing is brain cells. The amount of silly little picky things some people go on and on about is just unreal. 100 grams of weight, the sound of a shutter, 7mm of body thickness, placement of a silly button, it just goes on and on, today I have a guy in my town posted on Kijiji, wants to trade a perfectly good M240 plus a brand new 28mm summicron aspherical for a new in box M262. His logic is that he does not need the live view and movie feature . As if the M240 forces him to use those features. This obsession that Leica users have over the bloody sound of the shutter, or the 50 grams of weight??? I just do not get it. I have owned over a 100 cameras in my life I have yet to put one on a scale. Artin, quite honestly, do you expect that Kijii has actually shot his/her M240 and 28/2? Can this person point to something in one of their large prints and identify a technical limitation brought on by Leica? The mechanical beauty of Leica products (well, most of them) definitely instills collector mania, what we call GAS. That is just as valid a human response, IMHO, as having a bit more clothing than you can really use in a reasonable laundry cycle. But your point, with which I am in full agreement as are many other contributors on our forum, is that the equipment has not limited photographers qualitative output for some time now. I try to ignore the picksters! And if Kijii wants to trade equipment without using it first, let's be on the look out for mint gear cheap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 28, 2016 Share #29 Posted January 28, 2016 It will be interesting to see, in this Photokina year, whether there is another new M body or whether the focus is shifting so much towards the SL that the M is beginning to be marginalised. I agree, and was thinking that it almost seems like the SL is taking focus away from the S, too, something I was considering investing in. I can't help but feel once the SL sensor resolution improves, the S is going to become somewhat redundant. I truly hope the M and S remain. I believe we will see a new M body at Photokina and am hoping it's something special. It's certainly an interesting time, but not a great one to invest in a new system with so much going on in just about every brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DezFoto Posted January 28, 2016 Share #30 Posted January 28, 2016 As it turned out, the rangefinder accuracy of the M240 was improved to such an extent that Live View became redundant for traditional M photography though of course it does convey benefits for longer and wider lenses and for macro. Leica also painted themselves into a corner using a level of EVF technology which was obsolescent before it was even shipped with no upgrade path. Once you do Live View, video comes out in the wash even though it's of little interest for many (most?) M photographers. I was surprised at the improved accuracy of the M240. I didn't believe the rumors until Leica loaned me a Safari for a film shoot and I was using it alongside my M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 28, 2016 Share #31 Posted January 28, 2016 You folks must have an awful lot of time on your hands... The 262 model is nicely lighter than the 240 model. Enjoy it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted January 28, 2016 Share #32 Posted January 28, 2016 The rationale for Live View for me was always the promise of being able to focus more accurately than was possible on an M8 or M9, especially those which had never been back to Leica to benefit from the refined alignment process. As it turned out, the rangefinder accuracy of the M240 was improved to such an extent that Live View became redundant for traditional M photography though of course it does convey benefits for longer and wider lenses and for macro. The only rationales for Live View for me were 1. allowing me to slip an OUFRO behind a 50, 90 or 135 (or a Nikon 5T/6T in front) and get close up detail shots I couldn't formerly get unless I either traveled with a Visoflex (talk about increasing the weight and bulk of a kit!) or cropped significantly. 2. Use of my Komura 2X, whose rangefinder coupling was always an abomination. and 3. ability to carry only one small accessory finder usable with 12, 15 and 21mm lenses. My M9 (once I adjusted it myself from the horribly miscalibrated way it arrived in the box) remained spot-on for the duration. I did not see a whit of improvement in the M240's rangefinder. In fact the electric frame line illumination is a continual source of irritation. Like the deleted frame preselector which I initially lamented but got used to being without and now wouldn't pay extra for, I would now not want an M without Live View. I use the rangefinder 95% of the time but for those other 5% I have come to appreciate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePioneer Posted January 29, 2016 Share #33 Posted January 29, 2016 All M cameras, film or digital, were designed to be enjoyed and used. Thanks Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted January 29, 2016 Share #34 Posted January 29, 2016 some people like minimalism. that's not a crime if they can afford it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted January 31, 2016 Share #35 Posted January 31, 2016 some people like minimalism. that's not a crime if they can afford it. I bought the 240 because I love minimalism I crave minimalism in my life. I would like to get my simple life to one camera system so I use live view for wide angle and macro. Eliminating the need for a heavy complicated DSLR. I think if a few models down the line, Leica were to cut the weight drastically I would consider a second body because most of my shooting is with a 50 or 35. I also wouldn't mind lousing video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2016 Share #36 Posted March 26, 2016 So what's the material used for the top plate of the M262? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted March 26, 2016 Share #37 Posted March 26, 2016 Aluminium, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 26, 2016 Share #38 Posted March 26, 2016 Not clear on why someone would trade in an M 240 on an M 262. What did I miss? Sarcasm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencoyote Posted March 26, 2016 Share #39 Posted March 26, 2016 As it turned out, the rangefinder accuracy of the M240 was improved to such an extent that Live View became redundant for traditional M photography though of course it does convey benefits for longer and wider lenses and for macro. Leica also painted themselves into a corner using a level of EVF technology which was obsolescent before it was even shipped with no upgrade path. Once you do Live View, video comes out in the wash even though it's of little interest for many (most?) M photographers. I agree about the EVF. I have the M-P and one upgrade that I wish they'd done between the M and the M-P which would have made the -P so much nicer is if they'd changed to the T's EVF/GPS. i sort of wish Leica would make a 240 Graham Chapman upgrade special edition. "Simplify, then add lightness" which replaces the brass top with Aluminum or Titanium or Berryium or somethings like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2016 Share #40 Posted March 26, 2016 Aluminium, I think.In that case one less buyer here, though I find the concept of the M262 perfect. The experiment with zinc 30 years ago and now aluminium simply disregards Leicaner. And it flaws conclusions about the model variations of the next M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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