Belle123 Posted January 21, 2016 Share #61 Posted January 21, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anything that adds to it's weight or size, don't want. My wish list is simple, make it slimmer and lighter if at all possible. Anything heavier than the M240, not buying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MRJohn Posted January 21, 2016 Share #62 Posted January 21, 2016 - I like the size, lighter would be good, how about a carbon body in the 21st century? For 6k one could expect this, they must have a crazy margin. - ISO performance is for me not really the issue, a bit more would be nice but not critical. A bit more dynamic range would be nice. - I take 36 MP, or a hybrid B&W and color sensor at 24 MP. Switching between the performance of an M240 and an M246. Well, that might be science fiction. - The hybrid VF of the X-Pro 2 goes for me into the right direction, but from Leica I would expect something even better if they ever go down this route with an M, so offering at least EyeRes resolution, please no ugly, bulky clip ons any more... (btw, which bag do you use for an M with a clipped on EVF???) - Programable buttons/interface. Let me pick what I want to have in the menu. - Electronic shutter at 1/16.000, so I do not have to use gray filters, silent, or you pick your favorite artificially made shutter sounds (it is called sound tuning with cars - just kidding) - wireless and GPS build in, it is found in the cheapest cameras - innovative strap holders, so one can change quickly and securely between straps - 4k video why not, it is just software, not sure if I will ever use it, but just in case, we are talking 6k ... but I am happy at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 22, 2016 Share #63 Posted January 22, 2016 Here is my list: An optical rangefinder with digital assist A shutter as quiet as the SL Clip on EVF with high resolution (SL or better) Diopter adjustment Long exposure NR optional SL type battery Sensor like SL or Q. 24 MP is okay (but I think they'll go higher). Better DR and high ISO than M240 Movable in frame spot meter 2 SD slots Size no bigger or heavier than current M240 My preference is no movie button but one programmable is okay too. ALL of the above with the exception of digital assist are well within Leica's current known technology capabilities, and I would expect we wills ee at least some on this list in the next M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 22, 2016 Share #64 Posted January 22, 2016 Here is my list: An optical rangefinder with digital assist A shutter as quiet as the SL Clip on EVF with high resolution (SL or better) Diopter adjustment Long exposure NR optional SL type battery Sensor like SL or Q. 24 MP is okay (but I think they'll go higher). Better DR and high ISO than M240 Movable in frame spot meter 2 SD slots Size no bigger or heavier than current M240 My preference is no movie button but one programmable is okay too. ALL of the above with the exception of digital assist are well within Leica's current known technology capabilities, and I would expect we wills ee at least some on this list in the next M. Size no bigger than an M-240 with an SL type battery and 2 card slots. A contradiction in terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 22, 2016 Share #65 Posted January 22, 2016 Size no bigger than an M-240 with an SL type battery and 2 card slots. A contradiction in terms. Maybe you're right - but Leica has some clever engineers and electronics are getting smaller. If they did everything but the cards and battery, it would still be an impressive camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 22, 2016 Share #66 Posted January 22, 2016 Would it be possible to slide the sensor out of the bottom of the camera... and insert a special small package of different toasts? Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 22, 2016 Share #67 Posted January 22, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would it be possible to slide the sensor out of the bottom of the camera... and insert a special small package of different toasts? Rick No need to remove the sensor. The sensor heat will toast the bread. There could be two variation of this design. 1) Bread goes behind the sensor so that we can shoot while it is toasting but Leica purist will not like a fatter camera. 2) Bread goes in front of the sensor so that camera thickness remains the same but you won't be able to take the picture while it is being toasted. (It should accept both FF bread and APS-C bread) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 22, 2016 Share #68 Posted January 22, 2016 I'm not sure how this would work. What about thicker bread that requires a longer exposure. I have read here that the M240 has problems with longer exposure. I like real toast! Not that underexposed 60sec limited toast! Come on Leica, give us the ability to make darker toast. That is what I want in the new M. Darker Toast! Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted January 22, 2016 Share #69 Posted January 22, 2016 60 sec limitation is to make sure you always get *right* toast. If you don't like it then go ahead and buy Canikony. (warning: graphic content in the link below) I certainly don't want this in exchange for Darker toast. Be careful what you ask for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 22, 2016 Share #70 Posted January 22, 2016 [...] That is what I want in the new M. Darker Toast! With an ultrasonic crumbs picker please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsedov Posted January 23, 2016 Share #71 Posted January 23, 2016 1. Self-cleaning sensor 2. 40+MP 3. WiFi & GPS 4. Self-cleaning sensor 5. Get rid of the video button, or at least, make it programmable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 23, 2016 Share #72 Posted January 23, 2016 - smaller (back to film M size) - less clutter (no video, extra buttons, no LCD screen, … make the on/off switch back into an on/off switch as with the M7) Leica can develop the SL into this gadget body and really sharpen and focus the Leica M again back into what it is best - physical ISO dial - reintroduction of three different finders (wide angle, normal, high magnification - would be fantastic to have a true 1:1 finder with the high mag version) - speed dial again with end position (no infinitely spinning dial) With pre M6TTL bodies I would turn the dial to 1/1000s and count back the clicks until I was at the shutter speed I would want top shoot at without having to look at the dial. Make one end stop at "B" and the other end stop at "A" - battery + SD card meter on top (obviously with lack of LCD up back) - offer customizing options from the get go, no more introduce plain jane, make "special edition" with Leica script and leave the red dot sticker away, make "professional edition" with everything blacked out, … I want the one I want from the beginning (in my case black paint on brass, no script, no chrome, all black (painted). Make those customizations not only of cosmetic nature, but include no preview lever/ with preview lever, with/without self timer button, individual frame masks and even frame mask options for calibration at 1, 2 or x meter if that makes sense - finder mask illumination with ambient light rather then battery powered - no more stupid bottom plate sensor - we are adults and want to be using that camera even if that bottom plate just vanished into a ravine, the ocean or … - digital Leicavit for more battery capacity (in the cold I do run often into battery changes, I also sometimes prefer the handling of my film bodies with Leicavit over the naked body, sometimes I like the body to be as small as it gets, …) - display the selected manual shutter speed in the viewfinder with manual exposures (I never understood why this was never implemented in the Leica M7/8/9 and LOVED this feature with my EPSON R-D1). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2016 Share #73 Posted January 23, 2016 Again, this thread has been very illuminating for me, many responses have helped define and then change what I feel I would like from a new M by way of adding or detracting features. I'm still wishing for a thinner M, but as Mark Pope pointed out, ( and I didn't know before reading his post ), it exists right now in the M262 that appears to have the same body form as the M9, and it has also no video option, another box ticked for me but the missing ability to use an EVF when needed could be a deal breaker for me especially with wide lenses. However, just to be awkward I'd like the next M to be thinner still, though M6 / M7 sizing would likely be too much to ask. But as the digital M's have the same lens to film plane dimensions as the analogue Leicas I guess the extra girth is due to an LCD and electronics so maybe as that technology shrinks someday a digital M of the same depth as a film M could be possible. Wishes I liked from you all include the self cleaning sensor, less frame-line clutter,( the frame line selector can go, who really needs that, couldn't the six-bit reader set the specific frame line automatically? ), a better quality EVF available, really liked the idea of an upgradable sensor/logic board like we have in the RED cinema cameras to some degree, dump the old style retro' baseplate set-up so battery access is easier, if Leica insists on retaining video functionality then make the video button re-assignable, lower native ISO's rather than reaching for crazy high ISO's, and a built in OVF diopter. An OVF that can encompass wider lenses, to 21mm would be great to have like the Bessa 4 cameras have had for ages, or at least the option to buy an M that caters for the wider lenses natively like we used to have in some film Ms. Though of course a much improved EVF would cover that issue, and make the use of longer lenses easier as well. And oh yes, a lifetime supply of Leica napkins for the breakfast crowd. I guess that's about it for me, and when you look through everything and read the other comments it's obvious that really there's not a lot that's wrong with the M240, 240P and the 262 variants as they are right now. Leica I think will have to do quite a lot by way of desirable changes for many of us to feel upgrading to new is worthwhile. Thanks for all the posts! Good reading…... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 23, 2016 Share #74 Posted January 23, 2016 One thing I read a lot (not sure if it has been mentioned in this very thread already) is the criticism on the Leica traditional baseplate. I am not sure about the M10, as I have used only M8 and M9 based digital bodies extensively. The thing about Leica's baseplate design is that it really is so fundamentally perfected in design that after using it for a while one can truly switch batteries blindfolded, fast. I do really need longer time (and on top of that I have to be consciously careful not to break the plastic battery door) on my Nikon D800E). Interestingly, Nikon has on their Dx range of professional camera bodies a very similar approach to the battery compartment to Leica's M (and nobody is complaining) - you twist a latch, drop the battery, swap the battery cover to the new battery and drop the battery into the compartment, closing it by twisting the latch again - extraordinarily similar to Leica's approach on the small 35mm cameras since almost a century ;-) My point is: Please do retain the bottom plate design - despite what some critics say, it really is elegant, functional, unique and yes, it really is fast. I thought hard but cannot think about any other camera where with the twist of a latch and two small presses of a fingertip you have ejected both the battery and the medium from the camera to replace, charge, ingest, … . Oh - and there is the ultimate tip for eskimos: when wanting to operate the bottom plate with gloves on at all times: knot a short piece of string to the latch, this way you can erect the latch which can be grabbed glove handed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 23, 2016 Share #75 Posted January 23, 2016 One thing I read a lot (not sure if it has been mentioned in this very thread already) is the criticism on the Leica traditional baseplate. I am not sure about the M10, as I have used only M8 and M9 based digital bodies extensively. The thing about Leica's baseplate design is that it really is so fundamentally perfected in design that after using it for a while one can truly switch batteries blindfolded, fast. I do really need longer time (and on top of that I have to be consciously careful not to break the plastic battery door) on my Nikon D800E). Interestingly, Nikon has on their Dx range of professional camera bodies a very similar approach to the battery compartment to Leica's M (and nobody is complaining) - you twist a latch, drop the battery, swap the battery cover to the new battery and drop the battery into the compartment, closing it by twisting the latch again - extraordinarily similar to Leica's approach on the small 35mm cameras since almost a century ;-) My point is: Please do retain the bottom plate design - despite what some critics say, it really is elegant, functional, unique and yes, it really is fast. I thought hard but cannot think about any other camera where with the twist of a latch and two small presses of a fingertip you have ejected both the battery and the medium from the camera to replace, charge, ingest, … . Oh - and there is the ultimate tip for eskimos: when wanting to operate the bottom plate with gloves on at all times: knot a short piece of string to the latch, this way you can erect the latch which can be grabbed glove handed. If they did change it the only one I see better is the T setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 23, 2016 Share #76 Posted January 23, 2016 .............. - speed dial again with end position (no infinitely spinning dial) With pre M6TTL bodies I would turn the dial to 1/1000s and count back the clicks until I was at the shutter speed I would want top shoot at without having to look at the dial. Make one end stop at "B" and the other end stop at "A" -...................... A tiny hint: you can do this with the current M (which you affectionately nick-name the M10) because the shutter sped dial is more deeply detented at the A position so you can always work out your shutter speed without looking at the dial. A little practice or experience and it becomes second nature. You almost certainly know this, but just in case you hadn't noticed, it might be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2016 Share #77 Posted January 23, 2016 [...] Please do retain the bottom plate design - despite what some critics say, it really is elegant, functional, unique and yes, it really is fast. [...]Please do not . It is the slowest way of changing a battery, the bottom plate is too easy to lose. I lost one when climbing an (extinct) volcano last century. And it is impossible to change battery and SD card when the camera is on a tripod. The worst system ever made in my book. But i like it so much... Tradition... tradition... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pibitller Posted January 23, 2016 Share #78 Posted January 23, 2016 Electronic shutter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 23, 2016 Share #79 Posted January 23, 2016 If they did change it the only one I see better is the T setup. Ah, yes the Leica S style battery design - I am a big fan of this great design. If the bottom plate was to be removed by design (again, I like the bottom plate), this is likely the most elegant way to do it re. battery. A tiny hint: you can do this with the current M (which you affectionately nick-name the M10) because the shutter sped dial is more deeply detented at the A position so you can always work out your shutter speed without looking at the dial. A little practice or experience and it becomes second nature. You almost certainly know this, but just in case you hadn't noticed, it might be helpful. Yes, thanks Peter. Too bad that detent on A is just too subtle on some bodies. On my M8.2 I can barely feel the difference in detent. On my M9 and MM the detent is there when I really strain my senses to find it (but in a hurry it is lost on me), on my M7 since Leica has rebuilt that body, the detent is really strong and positively felt. To me the very best solution really would be to just bring back the full lock between A and B. Please do not . It is the slowest way of changing a battery, the bottom plate is too easy to lose. I lost one when climbing an (extinct) volcano last century. And it is impossible to change battery and SD card when the camera is on a tripod. The worst system ever made in my book. But i like it so much... Tradition... tradition... I do see the issue with the M10 on a tripod - a really unfortunate design by Leica :-( Regarding speed - really I just grabbed the first Leica M I had in reach and did a closed eyed battery swap, … leisurely. Less than 10 seconds. Really try this with any hinged battery door design with lock out there. On my Noblex swing lens camera I do need probably 2 minutes to complies this feat - and surely not without taking my eyes off the two (!) battery chambers. I fin the traditional bottom plate a fantastic design feature - not just from tradition, as I tried to explain. I never lost a bottom plate - the trick is to either ALWAYS hold it between the palm of your left hand and three fingers of your left hand - securely (while your left index finger and thumb are still free to perform things like the battery swap, swapping SD cards, picking your nose or … … or simply taking the plate and securing it in your pants pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2016 Share #80 Posted January 23, 2016 Try doing this while climbing or running... Been there since the seventies my friend . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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