semi-ambivalent Posted January 15, 2016 Share #81 Posted January 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) if the metal hood will match the current version... It doesn't look like that's the case. But I haven't seen any images of the new lens with the hood actually on it, except head-on. I prefer the old hood on my 'too contrasty', now-old Elmarit ASPH. A keeper. Leica has vetted the phrase "optimized for digital", s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NB23 Posted January 15, 2016 Share #82 Posted January 15, 2016 It doesn't look like that's the case. But I haven't seen any images of the new lens with the hood actually on it, except head-on. I prefer the old hood on my 'too contrasty', now-old Elmarit ASPH. A keeper. Leica has vetted the phrase "optimized for digital", s-a Now how will we call the new cron? "Cron asph-2"? "Cron V5?" Or "Cron asph OFD (optimized for digital)"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRIago Posted January 15, 2016 Share #83 Posted January 15, 2016 The real cron asph. The Mark II is not out yet but we all now the original's always the best. Plus the silver one is made of real brass. It is the real deal. :-P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted January 15, 2016 Share #84 Posted January 15, 2016 Yes, I think they also used to crop the product images for the previous version of the 35 Summicron. I don't think so. http://www.chassimages.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247172.0;attach=893051;image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted January 15, 2016 Share #85 Posted January 15, 2016 The coding will be to show it as 11673, whereas the current one is 11879. Adobe will issue an update to keep up with the new lenses, hopefully, in camera raw and Lightroom. 6 bit coding is binary, from 1 to 63. So max of 63 lenses coded. John My take is that it will depend on there being enough of a change in the required corrections for there to be a new set of codes for the new lenses. If they don't require corrections that differ from their older siblings Leica will reuse the old codes. The 35 'Lux ASPH FLE and the ASPH share the same code. Adding a code means FW updates for all the Ms going back to the M8 as well as the other cameras that can use the M lenses via adapter such as the T and SL. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maine207 Posted January 15, 2016 Share #86 Posted January 15, 2016 Yeah I bought a 35 cron new in November.... The only thing that seems nice about the new one is the metal hood..other than that I doubt anyone will really be able tell the difference when looking at pictures. I wonder how much of a price drop the "old" cron will receive, hopefully not too much so I don't have to feel bad about my November buy. Has anyone noticed that the pre-order is showing up as cheaper than the old version? Are they just factoring in the -12% US discount or will it actually be a less expensive lens? Seems odd since it has more blades I would have thought it would be more expensive..unless they are using a lower price to get a bunch of people with existing crons to switch over..thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted January 15, 2016 Share #87 Posted January 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) It doesn't look like that's the case. But I haven't seen any images of the new lens with the hood actually on it, except head-on. I prefer the old hood on my 'too contrasty', now-old Elmarit ASPH. A keeper. Leica has vetted the phrase "optimized for digital", s-a I cannot now locate where in Leica's postings I saw the phrase "optimized for digital". It might have been a vendor's page. So consider that stricken from my post, and my apologies to Leica. Mea culpa. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 15, 2016 Share #88 Posted January 15, 2016 It doesn't look like that's the case. But I haven't seen any images of the new lens with the hood actually on it, except head-on. I prefer the old hood on my 'too contrasty', now-old Elmarit ASPH. A keeper. I don't know if these images are official but, if they are, you can see why Leica isn't keen to show the new Summicron with the hood fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 15, 2016 Share #89 Posted January 15, 2016 The real cron asph. The Mark II is not out yet but we all now the original's always the best. Plus the silver one is made of real brass. It is the real deal. :-P Brasph is the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 15, 2016 Share #90 Posted January 15, 2016 I don't think so. http://www.chassimages.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247172.0;attach=893051;image I think it varies. The screenshot below is from the 2014 PDF brochure. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255578-rumor-three-new-leica-m-lenses-tomorrow/?do=findComment&comment=2969355'>More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 15, 2016 Share #91 Posted January 15, 2016 I didn't know that the cron28 could be improved, except for the hood indeed, it seems the only real hood improvement for them 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 15, 2016 Share #92 Posted January 15, 2016 I didn't know that the cron28 could be improved, except for the hood indeed, it seems the only real hood improvement for them 3 For digital use, I think the 28 Summicron had lots of scope for improvement – not least if Leica have been able to do something about the excessive vignetting. On film, the lens is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 15, 2016 Share #93 Posted January 15, 2016 I don't know if these images are official but, if they are, you can see why Leica isn't keen to show the new Summicron with the hood fitted. The final version of the hood for the current/previous version of the 35 ASPH Summicron, is actually quite neat but it is very easy to knock the cap off and lose it. I lost one very quickly. I then bought a lens cap keeper string, which I then connect to the camera strap with a mini crocodile clip. the new mega hoods are yerchhhhh! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey You Posted January 15, 2016 Share #94 Posted January 15, 2016 Go to the link in post #77 above and check out the download for the new 28mm. The "lens shape" image shows 8 lens elements, whereas the "Engineering Drawing" cutaway image shows only 7. These technical downloads seem to mix up the new and the former version and are not yet reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share #95 Posted January 15, 2016 Come on, if Leica changed the optics it would be a major change and there would have been a major announcement. These are the same lenses with changes to the hoods and possibly coatings or inner barrel blackening. I bet there won't be an appreciable difference in image quality. I may be the only one, but, as clumsy as they are I like most of the older hoods because they are deeper and provide more shade for the front element. Some of the new hoods are merely cosmetic. Most everyone wants a lens with more contrast and a good hood is a way to get more. Look at the huge box shades that are used on movie sets. They can't risk losing a take because the lighting changes as the camera pans or from take to take the image is different. But, good to see Leica has the resources to make these changes. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 15, 2016 Share #96 Posted January 15, 2016 What happens with the lens profiles and the six bit encoding when they change the optical recipe for a lens? It seems that Lightroom uses the lens identification picked up by the camera using the six bit encoding to pick the lens profile. With a new lens optical design wouldn't the lens profile be different? I wonder if Leica will ever replace the six bit encoding with something more advanced like a smart chip on the lens mount to identify the lenses more precisely than 6 bits. I guess alternatively they could turn 6 bits into 12 bits or more by adding a couple shade of grey. There will be a firmware update... How more precise could they be? The camera knows exactly which lens, what else could a 12-bit code add? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 15, 2016 Share #97 Posted January 15, 2016 Come on, if Leica changed the optics it would be a major change and there would have been a major announcement. These are the same lenses with changes to the hoods and possibly coatings or inner barrel blackening. According to Leica's press release it seems that: - 35/2: More blades. - 28/2: Improved optical design for a flatter field. - 28/2.8: Improved optical design for a flatter field. The lens code just tells the camera which kind of vignetting correction it should apply. There is no need to change the lens code if these characteristics are the same. No new lens code, no need for a firmware update (unless for unrelated reasons). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 15, 2016 Share #98 Posted January 15, 2016 Right, Italian flag issue is Lux 28 minor decease on my M9, that's why I use Lux on 240. But on 240 I have also noticed that couple of times. On M9 I mostly use 28 elmarit. Great combo. A great lens. Some small "Italien flag" problems on M9. Only seen on winterscapes. Havent tried on M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted January 15, 2016 Share #99 Posted January 15, 2016 I'm happy with my new Summciron. Don't need New New:) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255578-rumor-three-new-leica-m-lenses-tomorrow/?do=findComment&comment=2969526'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 15, 2016 Share #100 Posted January 15, 2016 Now how will we call the new cron? "Cron asph-2"? "Cron V5?" Or "Cron asph OFD (optimized for digital)"? Maybe start by calling them Summicrons. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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