50mm f2.0 APO Summicron M + SL ??

[phongph]

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I agree about the price, but I already own the APO.  I put it up for sale with the intention of getting the Summilux-SL, but I'm having second thoughts.

Hi Dr. G!

I have got SL 601, SL 24-90, M35 Lux Fle, M50 Apo, M75 Lux, then M10.

I also intend to get SL50 Lux, but I hesitate to get since It is heavy for street life and portrait (I have used both camera for portrait).

I think If You use more Apo50 on SL 601 or M10, You will like its weight, IQ, very nice render, very sharp, very bright image.

For me, I may concern SL90 Apo over SL50 lux for portrait!

Have a nice day!

Thanks!

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[ropo54]

I agree about the price, but I already own the APO.  I put it up for sale with the intention of getting the Summilux-SL, but I'm having second thoughts.

 

Let me preface my comments: this is all hobby for me.

 

I have a noctilux, but there are just times when I do want the benefit of AF. If you are going to the SL you are going to deal with more weight. As big as it is, the SL 50 balances so well that the weight distributes quite nicely. 

 

Get the SL 50 and then decide which to keep? 

 

Do you want AF? Do you want 1.4? Do you mind a big lens?

 

You will likely have second thoughts whichever way you decide to go.     That's the nature of this game.  So, just remember what Yogi Berra once said: "When you get to the fork in the road, take it".

 

 

Rob

Edited December 9, 2017 by ropo54

[LD_50]

I probably wouldn’t use the 50SL for primarily street shooting. The AF is too slow to be beneficial in that environment at shallow DOF. And if shooting at smaller apertures I don’t think the weight and size is worth it.

 

I would shoot with my M and 50 Summilux ASPH in that environment.

[IkarusJohn]

Having carried the SL & 24-90 all round NY, Vermont and Washington DC, size and weight aren’t really considerations for me. It is what it is. Similarly, just because the 50 SL has a 1.4 aperture wide open, doesn’t mean you have to use it at 1.4 all the time. This is an exemplary lens at all apertures, from what I’ve seen. I prefer to try to select a depth of field which has the whole subject in focus ...

[LD_50]

I agree that shooting at f1.4 all the time isn’t necessary. For street shooting I’m going to use manual zone focus and smaller aperture for wider DOF. That negates the point of the 50SL for me unless I happen to have it and not the M and 50 ASPH. I can’t see a substantial IQ difference in smaller aperture shots between the two lenses and feel I’ll get more shots with the M combo in a classic street shooting example.

 

I prefer to select DOF depending on the photo I want to capture and I prefer to choose the camera/lens combo that best fits.

[Dr. G]

Having carried the SL & 24-90 all round NY, Vermont and Washington DC, size and weight aren’t really considerations for me. It is what it is. Similarly, just because the 50 SL has a 1.4 aperture wide open, doesn’t mean you have to use it at 1.4 all the time. This is an exemplary lens at all apertures, from what I’ve seen. I prefer to try to select a depth of field which has the whole subject in focus ...

 

 

I would only really use f/1.4 for it's low light capability and increase my distance to the subject a bit to gain some DOF.  I actually like f/2 for DOF when focusing closer.  I also like shooting wide open, so the APO still seems like a better choice for me if I'm shooting in low light, I'd just have to run the ISO a bit higher - although I don't have my SL yet, so I don't know the practical limitations of ISO with the APO 50.  

[Donzo98]

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I would only really use f/1.4 for it's low light capability and increase my distance to the subject a bit to gain some DOF.  I actually like f/2 for DOF when focusing closer.  I also like shooting wide open, so the APO still seems like a better choice for me if I'm shooting in low light, I'd just have to run the ISO a bit higher - although I don't have my SL yet, so I don't know the practical limitations of ISO with the APO 50.  

 

I have the SL and the following lenses... 10mm Voigt 24-90, 35 FLE, Noctilux 0.95 and 90-280.

 

I had the 50 SL, but sold it because of the size and slow AF. I loved the IQ... but thought that the Noct @ 0.95 was a better fit for creative reasons. Manual focus on the SL is so easy, and that's coming from someone who never used MF.

 

I think a reason to keep the APO is size.

 

I am also hoping that a mini SL comes out that will allow mounting the M glass on a smaller Q size body.

 

BTW... are you a doctor??

[Dr. G]

I have the SL and the following lenses... 10mm Voigt 24-90, 35 FLE, Noctilux 0.95 and 90-280.

 

I had the 50 SL, but sold it because of the size and slow AF. I loved the IQ... but thought that the Noct @ 0.95 was a better fit for creative reasons. Manual focus on the SL is so easy, and that's coming from someone who never used MF.

 

I think a reason to keep the APO is size.

 

I am also hoping that a mini SL comes out that will allow mounting the M glass on a smaller Q size body.

 

BTW... are you a doctor??

I'm a pediatric dentist.

 

My SL comes today. I'm going to use the APO and do a bunch of shooting inside as it's snowing. I found a good deal on a SL 24-90 that was just serviced by Leica and has a 1 year warranty. I'm thinking between the Q, the APO (if I like using it with the SL) and the SL 24-90, I would be very well covered. For walking around when traveling I could leave the 24-90 in the hotel room safe and carry the Q and SL/APO in an ONA Bowery and be pretty well covered unless I foresee needing the 24-90, in which case I'll just put everything in my Brixton.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Dr. G

[Jeff S]

I am also hoping that a mini SL comes out that will allow mounting the M glass on a smaller Q size body.

 

Have you checked out the new CL and dedicated forum discussion? Some have characterized it as a mini SL, or mini M or other. For me, it loses in the mini SL category due to its lack of similar weather sealing (cheap battery door, etc), and different control interface without joystick. But many are already excited about it as a smaller alternative L mount camera (that can accept M and R lenses via adapters).

 

Jeff

Edited December 9, 2017 by Jeff S

[Alistairm]

Have you checked out the new CL and dedicated forum discussion? Some have characterized it as a mini SL, or mini M or other. For me, it loses in the mini SL category due to its lack of similar weather sealing (cheap battery door, etc), and different control interface without joystick. But many are already excited about it as a smaller alternative L mount camera (that can accept M and R lenses via adapters).

Jeff

I love the CL (also own SL and M10). And the 50 APO (or 50SL, or Nocti) is a lovely 75mm field of view portrait lens on the APS-C sensor!

 

18mm pancake, excellent 18-56 zoom plus ability to shoot your SL glass natively or M glass with an adapter (at 1.5x FOV)... all in a tiny package with IQ on par with the SL.

[Dr. G]

What lens profile am I choosing on the SL for the APO 50mm? I don't see 11141.

[Donzo98]

Have you checked out the new CL and dedicated forum discussion? Some have characterized it as a mini SL, or mini M or other. For me, it loses in the mini SL category due to its lack of similar weather sealing (cheap battery door, etc), and different control interface without joystick. But many are already excited about it as a smaller alternative L mount camera (that can accept M and R lenses via adapters).

 

Jeff

 

Yes... I saw it. I was really hoping the CL would be FF. How does the EVF compare to the SL's??

[Donzo98]

I'm a pediatric dentist.

 

My SL comes today. I'm going to use the APO and do a bunch of shooting inside as it's snowing. I found a good deal on a SL 24-90 that was just serviced by Leica and has a 1 year warranty. I'm thinking between the Q, the APO (if I like using it with the SL) and the SL 24-90, I would be very well covered. For walking around when traveling I could leave the 24-90 in the hotel room safe and carry the Q and SL/APO in an ONA Bowery and be pretty well covered unless I foresee needing the 24-90, in which case I'll just put everything in my Brixton.

 

 

 

I am a neurosurgeon... that's why I was curious.

 

I'm anxious to see what you think of the SL... post a few pics.

 

Snowing here as well, where are you located?? Current siuation in Merrick, NY.

 

SL + 35 FLE @ 1.4

 

Edited December 9, 2017 by Donzo98

[Jeff S]

Yes... I saw it. I was really hoping the CL would be FF. How does the EVF compare to the SL's??

Lots of discussion in the CL forum section.

 

Jeff

[Donzo98]

Lots of discussion in the CL forum section.

 

Jeff

 

I'm heading over there

[Dr. G]

I am a neurosurgeon... that's why I was curious.

 

I'm anxious to see what you think of the SL... post a few pics.

 

Snowing here as well, where are you located?? Current siuation in Merrick, NY.

 

SL + 35 FLE @ 1.4

 

I'm in central NJ now, near Freehold, I'll post some photos once I charge the battery, read through the manual to set everything up and figure out how to set the lens profile. Apparently I'm doing something wrong because when I chose the grid and horizon level in the shooting aids menu nothing came up in LV or in the EVF.

 

The SL came defaulting to P mode, but it looks like I need to switch it if using the APO. I haven't figured that out yet, either. Hopefully the battery will charge up soon.

Edited December 9, 2017 by Dr. G

[thighslapper]

Yes... I saw it. I was really hoping the CL would be FF. How does the EVF compare to the SL's??

 The SL EVF ...... like the Retina Screen on iPads ...... is almost optical in quality as you cannot discern the individual pixels .... and the view brightness closely approaches normal lighting. 

 

The CL EVF superficially appears almost the same .... bright, clear and a touch smaller. However you can just discern the individual pixels on the EVF screen.

 

Both are good enough for you to forget that you are using an EVF in all but dim lighting ...... when a graininess and shimmering creeps in. 

[Donzo98]

 The SL EVF ...... like the Retina Screen on iPads ...... is almost optical in quality as you cannot discern the individual pixels .... and the view brightness closely approaches normal lighting. 

 

The CL EVF superficially appears almost the same .... bright, clear and a touch smaller. However you can just discern the individual pixels on the EVF screen.

 

Both are good enough for you to forget that you are using an EVF in all but dim lighting ...... when a graininess and shimmering creeps in. 

 

I take it you are loving the CL too

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[LeicaR10]

Dr G,  Your post # 131, with the M to L adapter attached to your 50 APO, check the Camera Settings function.  (lower right corner button)  In the Lens Settings, 50 APO should be coming up automatically.  You don't need to set it manually.  Set the function to Auto.  For your post #136, read the manual for changing Mode settings.  The SL is quite an incredible camera, yet it takes time to study the manual and get use to the functions.  r/ Mark

Edited December 10, 2017 by LeicaR10

[Dr. G]

Dr G,  Your post # 131, with the M to L adapter attached to your 50 APO, check the Camera Settings function.  (lower right corner button)  In the Lens Settings, 50 APO should be coming up automatically.  You don't need to set it manually.  Set the function to Auto.  For your post #136, read the manual for changing Mode settings.  The SL is quite an incredible camera, yet it takes time to study the manual and get use to the functions.  r/ Mark

Thanks. I had to re seat the adapter to the body. Apparently I didn't turn it hard enough to get it to click in properly, although it felt seated. APO is coming up automatically now.

 

I'm going to spend time reading through the whole manual today. I definitely have to do some customization. I have the joystick push for focus magnification, but changing views is on the low right button and that's not an easy reach while composing (I use a Peak Design clutch so my right hand is pretty much locked in place when shooting).