Mornnb Posted December 30, 2015 Share #21 Posted December 30, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you have any pre-concerns about the buffer, you need the M-P. The M240 will only shoot 7 frames in a row before you hit the buffer. It is best to shoot in continuous mode and shoot those images back to back, even if they are not the exact moments you want. The buffer is slower in S mode than in M mode. With the M240 you'll sometimes hit the buffer while shooting people talking if you're trying to make sure their faces look right. You simply don't have enough frames to do it. It's not uncommon with the the M240 for you to push the shutter button, and nothing happens. The situation is better than with the M9, but the small buffer is still the biggest problem with the digital M cameras. New M262 really should have had the M-P buffer. Honestly if you need more than 7 frames continually you should grab the DSLR for the shoot. 7 is more than the M needs. Why does ISO impact on buffer? It's still a 24MP file, isn't it? High ISO files are harder to compress due to the randomness of the noise. However I would be very surprised if the camera was compressing the contents of the buffer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Hi Mornnb, Take a look here buffer question 240 M vs M-P. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pico Posted December 31, 2015 Share #22 Posted December 31, 2015 If you want super high-speed writes to a card, which involves the cameras CPU and the so-called buffer then just forget about it and never look back. The M is not a machine gun. Get over it. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted December 31, 2015 Share #23 Posted December 31, 2015 Honestly if you need more than 7 frames continually you should grab the DSLR for the shoot. 7 is more than the M needs. High ISO files are harder to compress due to the randomness of the noise. However I would be very surprised if the camera was compressing the contents of the buffer... I own the Nikon. D3, D3s, and D3x and also a Sony a6000 in addition to the M9 and M240. I know exactly when I need to use my Nikons. However, there are plenty of situations where the M240 seems to be the right tool - photographing a conversation, photographing bts images of hair and makeup being done in my studio, photographing my daughter working on a project, etc. I don't need 11fps to capture these moments. I do however need more than 7 images to make sure compositions do expressions are correct. I shoot in manual mode only. My first few shots are usually light checks anyway -leaving me with only 3 or 4 shots to capture the moment. If the M240 had the buffer of the average point and shoot, it would b a much more useful camera. Theres nothing more annoying than when people imply you're a shitty photographer because you need to shoot a lot of frames quickly in non sports situations. (Not saying you are doing this here, btw.) I attended a presentation by photographer Chris Burkard. He has 1.3 million followers on Instagram. One of the tools he uses is the Sony a6000 at 11fps. He's a landscape photographer, but he sees the value of having a camera that can shoot many images quickly. There's nothing wrong with wanting more than 7 successive frames on a Leica and it's appalling that they know how to put a 2 gig buffer in the M240 body, but they chose not to on the M262. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted December 31, 2015 Share #24 Posted December 31, 2015 Theres nothing more annoying than when people imply you're a shitty photographer because you need to shoot a lot of frames quickly in non sports situations. (Not saying you are doing this here, btw.)I am not saying that. Rather I am saying an M is the wrong tool for this type of shooting. Not only because it has a slower frame rate than most. But also because an autofocusing camera can account for movement between you and the subject when you are shooting a 2-5 second burst. This is more the type of shooting the Leica SL exists for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted December 31, 2015 Share #25 Posted December 31, 2015 If I have a large enough buffer, I can manage to get the shots I need even if manual focus causes me to miss some shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted December 31, 2015 Share #26 Posted December 31, 2015 I am not saying that. Rather I am saying an M is the wrong tool for this type of shooting. Not only because it has a slower frame rate than most. But also because an autofocusing camera can account for movement between you and the subject when you are shooting a 2-5 second burst. This is more the type of shooting the Leica SL exists for. How much movement do you think a model or bride makes while getting make up done? Maybe your models are going for a jog while getting their makeup done? Or do you think we're all shooting these with a Noctilux superglued wide open? It's about capturing a fleeting expression not a fleeting movement. I have an SL and the bridal home is one place where I won't be using it. The unobtrusiveness of the M is a joy at a bridal home. To Heiko. I have an M and an M-P. I don't hit the buffer on either at a wedding. However, I'm a conservative shooter. A heavier shooter might appreciate the extra space in the M-P. Plus the M-P looks better.... Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 31, 2015 Share #27 Posted December 31, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes. I want an informed response to that, +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 31, 2015 Share #28 Posted December 31, 2015 Yes. I want an informed response to that, too. I have no idea why, but I can attest that it does. I should think it has more to do with the data processing before the writing than with the size of the file being written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 31, 2015 Share #29 Posted December 31, 2015 Curious all those posts implying that a Leica M should be slow by definition. I could not agree less. A Leica M should be fast, on the contrary. At least as fast as other mirrorless cameras costing half of its price IMHO. The next M will compete with its modern competitors hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted December 31, 2015 Share #30 Posted December 31, 2015 Curious all those posts implying that a Leica M should be slow by definition. I could not agree less. A Leica M should be fast, on the contrary. At least as fast as other mirrorless cameras costing half of its price IMHO. The next M will compete with its modern competitors hopefully. Leica has now made 2 full frame cameras that have proper buffers. It's a logical assumption that the next M will have the proper buffer. All I need is the buffer of my Nikon D3, which came out about 6 years ago. Once we have that buffer, people like myself will use it to capture a higher number of good images, and we will use our M cameras in more situations than we do now. The other users can then make a point of continuing to use their Ms as they always have, while going out of their way to NOT shoot a lot of frames while they work. It can be their badge of honor that they are skilled enough to nail their shots without relying on a larger buffer. It will be a good situation for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted December 31, 2015 Share #31 Posted December 31, 2015 Hi heiko, don't mind the 'experts', if you want to use the M in machinegun style then do so. It is NOT the wrong camera. As for buffer, yes the M-P has twice the buffer size so if you are worried about hitting the buffer and you use the camera for work, get the M-P. What would it cost you if you miss a shot because you hit the buffer early? Personaly, I use the M240 and I have hit the buffer a couple of times. For what I was shooting it was no biggie, I find what catches me out more often is the slow EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogfish Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share #32 Posted January 1, 2016 Need to shot more then 5 images within a short time in a high paced documentary situation is not machine-gunning (0: If you show me a photographer who says he has 90 percent keepers I show you a photographer with a conservative portfolio. heiko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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