Peter Kilmister Posted December 31, 2015 Share #21 Posted December 31, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) No problem. It always gives us a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted January 1, 2016 Share #22 Posted January 1, 2016 Pardon my waste of bandwidth here on the site, but I thought I would pass along a few observations about the new M262. Metering, which uses reflections off the shutter curtains, is trickier than with the previous digital M's in similar operation. I found myself frequently chimping my files after an exposure, only to see something significantly under or over exposed if there were any areas brightness or darkness in the frame. Note this was with the 28/2.8/ASPH, so I often had areas of sky or wide dynamic range areas to the image. I learned to look at the shutter speed and then to use the exposure meter between my ears to say, no, that doesn't make sense, add or subtract to the exposure. For images with consistent illumination across the frame, exposures were decent. Eric, can you see a difference on the shutterreflector betwee the M 240 and the M 262?? Is the dot bigger or so?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted January 2, 2016 Paul's, i just took took a look, and the shutter blades and shading, black, grey, and white, are indesinguishable between the M-P240 and the M262. Thanks. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 2, 2016 Share #24 Posted January 2, 2016 Paul's, i just took took a look, and the shutter blades and shading, black, grey, and white, are indesinguishable between the M-P240 and the M262. Thanks. Eric Could it be, that you use different profiles with the two cameras, thus creating the trickier metering with the m 262? IMHO the two must be the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share #25 Posted January 2, 2016 Paulus, No sir, same settings throughout. Same physical lens as well. 28mm and wider is trickier when metering with an M, but I definitely see more under and over exposure issues with the M262 when there is a dominant brighter (or darker) area in the frame. I am presuming a difference in the firmware, but who knows. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted January 2, 2016 Share #26 Posted January 2, 2016 Hmm, I find this issue of the metering quite disturbing ... one of my favourite things about the M9 I borrowed is how well it metered. I had a M262 in my sights, but if the metering isn't reliable, perhaps I should go for a discounted M-E instead. Centre-weighted metering should not be so sensitive to bright outliers ... Any other experiences to back this up? Could it be just a problem with the single unit Eric used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePioneer Posted January 2, 2016 Share #27 Posted January 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Photographing in the snow is tricky under the best conditions but I am finding that my M262 is returning both blown highlights and blocked shadows. under high contrast situations. I know that I am working under very high contrast situations, even under overcast skies. Most of last year's work was with film which has significantly better response in these conditions, but I don't remember my M9 having these same range issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 3, 2016 Share #28 Posted January 3, 2016 A handheld meter in incident mode may help -- with film or digital. Using in-camera center-weighted metering and a wide angle lens often favors bright spots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted January 3, 2016 Share #29 Posted January 3, 2016 Metering misalignments can be fixed with firmware updates though, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share #30 Posted January 3, 2016 May I offer a different interpretation of the camera metering? K'tete, I find that the M262/28mm combination encourages me to use my brain and/or chimp the results to ensure the exposure is reasonable. This is not a catastrophic failure, as Leica shooting is typically not, "point-and-shoot while we do the rest" experience. If you see a shutter speed that doesn't make sense based upon your experience, then tweak it. If you get a dark exposure, you can correct in Lightroom up to around 3 stops (under), or you can shoot another exposure with an appropriate adjustment. In many ways, it's like the difference between a standard automobile transmission and an automatic (or CVT). The M rangefinders require your awareness of f/stop, shutter, and focus, and this is not a bad thing. David, the advice of a good meter for critical applications is always a good one. For those who do not wish to carry a meter but have an iPhone, a free application called Pocket Light Meter does a very good job. Lax, a metering algorithm, which calculates exposure from the shutter reflection and sensor cell on the front of the top plate is likely upgradeable by firmware. I will try shooting some with a 35mm and a 50mm to see what I think with those lengths. Perhaps it's time to break out the old Tri-Elmar. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 3, 2016 Share #31 Posted January 3, 2016 I really cannot believe, that the meter of the M 262 is different from the M 240. They are the same bodyparts. It could be, that the firmware is different, but that Leica did not see a difference during testing, I can hardly imagine. I know from printing, that sometimes everything goes wrong in the darkroom and that it is hard to lay your finger on the problem. We alway called this the : Dokaspook " or translated : The darkroomghost " . Maybe there is something with the adjustments? Maybe put the M 262 into fabric position and try again? I would gladly hear from others about this problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted January 3, 2016 Share #32 Posted January 3, 2016 If I've made the conscious decision to shoot in 'A' mode, I want the metering to be reliable. Using a separate meter would kill it for me, I'm thinking street photography and reportage here, a separate light meter would not be an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 4, 2016 Share #33 Posted January 4, 2016 I really cannot believe, that the meter of the M 262 is different from the M 240. They are the same bodyparts. It could be, that the firmware is different, but that Leica did not see a difference during testing, I can hardly imagine. I know from printing, that sometimes everything goes wrong in the darkroom and that it is hard to lay your finger on the problem. We alway called this the : Dokaspook " or translated : The darkroomghost " . Maybe there is something with the adjustments? Maybe put the M 262 into fabric position and try again? I would gladly hear from others about this problem? What makes you think they are the same parts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2016 Share #34 Posted January 4, 2016 What makes you think they are the same parts? What makes you think they are not...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 4, 2016 Share #35 Posted January 4, 2016 What makes you think they are not...? Experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2016 Share #36 Posted January 4, 2016 Not knowledge then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 4, 2016 Share #37 Posted January 4, 2016 with experience comes knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2016 Share #38 Posted January 4, 2016 And with genuine knowledge comes the ability to share... so I ask again, what 'parts' are different? I'm interested because I am not aware of any changes to the meter... Do you actually have factual knowledge of this... or is it merely conjecture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 4, 2016 Share #39 Posted January 4, 2016 Conjecture, experience, knowledge...I'm confused Michael where are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2016 Share #40 Posted January 4, 2016 Testing the new M probably... I would be interested to learn if there are changes to the metering... it's very unlikely, but it isn't impossible that there are some minor changes to the metering system which may see the light of day (did you see what I did there? ) fully formed and more explicit in a revised M later in the year... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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