Mornnb Posted November 22, 2015 Share #361 Posted November 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't real Leica shooters use the rangefinder? Who cares about live view anyway? I do. When I shoot the Tri-Elmar at 16mm or when I'm shooting landscape on a tripod. The Rangefinder doesn't work too well for that, and live view is often better than carrying around a detachable viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 Hi Mornnb, Take a look here Leica M (Typ 262) - Reduction to Rangefinder Photography (at 1000 € less). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pop Posted November 22, 2015 Share #362 Posted November 22, 2015 There is not even an interface to access the live view data. Maybe if they dismantle it completely so they get access to the motherboard … There's still the display. Since there appears to be a service menu in the M type cameras as well, it would be conceivable that they left the hardware in and provided a backdoor through the service menu to activate live view. However, I said "conceivable", nothing more, and I have no reason to assume this to be true. This is a neat way to start urban myths, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAK Posted November 22, 2015 Share #363 Posted November 22, 2015 I do. When I shoot the Tri-Elmar at 16mm or when I'm shooting landscape on a tripod. The Rangefinder doesn't work too well for that, and live view is often better than carrying around a detachable viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAK Posted November 22, 2015 Share #364 Posted November 22, 2015 One could just take a shot then check it in the LCD and adjust if needed. For landscape I think that should be fine. Not as convenient maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 22, 2015 Share #365 Posted November 22, 2015 There's still the display. The way I understand it the calibration hardware evaluates the live view feed. With an M (Typ 240) this is available through either the accessory socket below the hot show or the interface at the bottom of the camera. The actual interfaces may still exist but you would have to remove the shell to access these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted November 22, 2015 Share #366 Posted November 22, 2015 I see this as a logic marketing move, Leica needs to offer something at a reduced price compared the M (typ 240) to keep the sales running in the wait for the new M (probably next year). And in order not to disappoint too much who just bought the M (typ 240) they had to offer something less, in other words to take away something. Who really needs LV should buy the M (typ 240). Who is used to the film Ms (6-7-MP...) and desires to try the digital RF experience has an opportunity with a camera which is the most similar digital to the M7 with the goods and some bads of it. I understand that a 21 + OVF could be not perfect to frame but this happened for a long time with the film Ms...and a small cropping is not a crime... robert PS: would be more worried for the only color space available sRGB... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted November 22, 2015 Share #367 Posted November 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) What about the rumors that the Leica SL is the death knell for the Leica M System? Or about the next Leica M having an electronical viewfinder? Only a month later the Leica M (Typ 262) proves the opposite. The Leica M262 is no successor to the Leica M240 but reduces to the essential, in this case to the rangefinder photography. New to Leica: Even the price was reduced… In a nutshell: The Leica M (Typ 262) lacks live view and video functionality but costs 1000€ less than the Leica M240. leica-m_typ-262_forumteaser.jpg » More information in the Leica Forum Blog Exactly what I predicted and hoped for: Leica does not disappoint me, super initiative! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 22, 2015 Share #368 Posted November 22, 2015 The way I understand it the calibration hardware evaluates the live view feed. With an M (Typ 240) this is available through either the accessory socket below the hot show or the interface at the bottom of the camera. The actual interfaces may still exist but you would have to remove the shell to access these. The parts required are gone. Kaput. Fini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted November 23, 2015 Share #369 Posted November 23, 2015 Don't real Leica shooters use the rangefinder? Who cares about live view anyway? No, REAL Leica shooters use the Visoflex III and Viso lenses. I know because i just happen to have the Viso III, the Viso 65mm, and a viso focusing helix for the Summicron 90 and Elmarit 135! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm_user Posted November 23, 2015 Share #370 Posted November 23, 2015 No, REAL Leica shooters use the Visoflex III and Viso lenses. I know because i just happen to have the Viso III, the Viso 65mm, and a viso focusing helix for the Summicron 90 and Elmarit 135! Me too - but I only use for macro work and occasionally for telephoto. DSLR is much better for most of my telephoto needs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted November 23, 2015 Share #371 Posted November 23, 2015 There's still the display. Since there appears to be a service menu in the M type cameras as well, it would be conceivable that they left the hardware in and provided a backdoor through the service menu to activate live view. However, I said "conceivable", nothing more, and I have no reason to assume this to be true. This is a neat way to start urban myths, though. So who here would like to try installing M240 firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted November 23, 2015 Share #372 Posted November 23, 2015 PS: would be more worried for the only color space available sRGB... That only applies to JPEG files. If they wanted to really make the camera essential, there would be no JPEG option, and the nonsensical "WB" button would be a quick user-presets switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted November 23, 2015 Share #373 Posted November 23, 2015 So who here would like to try installing M240 firmware? Like I said, if Leica did the right thing, the M262 and the M240 would be using a unified firmware. The camera would just not load any firmware version lower than the first unified M2xx firmware release. In any case, you can expect the installation of the current M240 firmware to fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 23, 2015 Share #374 Posted November 23, 2015 The M8/9 had 2 distinct sounds (the recock could be delayed using Discrete mode) but the M240 doesn't. At this point Leica hasn't said if the 262 uses the same shutter as the 240 or a different one. Nor have they clarified if they are claiming it's quieter in standard mode or only in comparison to using LV or advanced metering on the 240 where the shutter actuates twice in rapid succession. It also wouldn't surprise me if the aluminum top plate alters the shutter sound a bit, although intuitively I would imagine the thicker brass, especially in black paint, would attenuate it more than anodized aluminum. Then again my black 240 and chrome 240 sound identical. The only thing I'm willing to go out on a limb and predict at this point is that whoever buys a 262 will definitely hear a quieter shutter As an owner of both the M8.2 and the M240, I'm well aware of the distinctions. I, too, had the same question regarding quietness in LV vs 'standard' modes (earlier in this thread), but that was before I read the Leica Blog, which clearly states that the re-cock system is new, quieter and faster than the one used in the M240. It seems clear that this applies to RF mode, at a minimum. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2015/11/leica-m-typ-262/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 23, 2015 Share #375 Posted November 23, 2015 As an owner of both the M8.2 and the M240, I'm well aware of the distinctions. I, too, had the same question regarding quietness in LV vs 'standard' modes (earlier in this thread), but that was before I read the Leica Blog, which clearly states that the re-cock system is new, quieter and faster than the one used in the M240. It seems clear that this applies to RF mode, at a minimum. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2015/11/leica-m-typ-262/ Jeff As I said before, I have no doubt whoever buys the camera will swear they can hear how "significantly" quieter it is than the M240. After owning an M8 and M9, the M240 is plenty quiet enough for me (in non-LV mode), in fact hardly louder than my M4 and about the same as an M6TTL. If I'm shooting in such a noise-sensitive environment like a church or theatre, there are a multitude of cameras today with electronic shutters and zero shutter sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 23, 2015 Share #376 Posted November 23, 2015 As I said before, I have no doubt whoever buys the camera will swear they can hear how "significantly" quieter it is than the M240. After owning an M8 and M9, the M240 is plenty quiet enough for me (in non-LV mode), in fact hardly louder than my M4 and about the same as an M6TTL. If I'm shooting in such a noise-sensitive environment like a church or theatre, there are a multitude of cameras today with electronic shutters and zero shutter sound. My comments were meant to address all the other points you raised, which primarily related to what specifically Leica changed, and in what mode. How people will react is another matter....as many opinions as people around the forum. I actually like some sound when I release the shutter, having used Ms and other film cameras for 40+ years. Complete silence, while maybe practical for some folks, is unnerving to me.....like electric cars. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted November 23, 2015 Share #377 Posted November 23, 2015 I'm sorry I can't find the original post to quote where this was first linked to, but it's genuinely brilliant... The M Typ 262 should be referred to as "das VolksLeica" or perhaps "das VolksM?" it will definitely have "fahrvergnugen!" http://newcameranews.com/2015/11/20/leica-builds-camera-for-the-people/ on the other hand... perhaps with the VW scandal on about emissions it may not be such a good idea? Oh well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAK Posted November 23, 2015 Share #378 Posted November 23, 2015 I'm sorry I can't find the original post to quote where this was first linked to, but it's genuinely brilliant... The M Typ 262 should be referred to as "das VolksLeica" or perhaps "das VolksM?" it will definitely have "fahrvergnugen!" http://newcameranews.com/2015/11/20/leica-builds-camera-for-the-people/ on the other hand... perhaps with the VW scandal on about emissions it may not be such a good idea? Oh well... The link to newcameranews is hilarious, and like many satires, has a grain of truth in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share #379 Posted November 23, 2015 I'm sorry I can't find the original post to quote where this was first linked to, but it's genuinely brilliant... The M Typ 262 should be referred to as "das VolksLeica" or perhaps "das VolksM?" it will definitely have "fahrvergnugen!" http://newcameranews.com/2015/11/20/leica-builds-camera-for-the-people/ on the other hand... perhaps with the VW scandal on about emissions it may not be such a good idea? Oh well... 24 megapickle Hilarious Blog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAK Posted November 23, 2015 Share #380 Posted November 23, 2015 The link to newcameranews is hilarious, and like many satires, has a grain of truth in it. This was the bit that cracked me up: Leica: “Traditionally, our cameras are purchased by 3 types of people: Starving artist types Lenny Kravitz types The top 1% taking photos of the bottom 1% And this one is even funnier: http://newcameranews.com/2015/04/07/bentley-leica-partner-on-full-frame-backup-camera/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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