John Perkins Posted November 19, 2015 Share #41 Posted November 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I like this camera. And if I had not bought a 240 earlier this year, I would buy this. Personally, I hope the replacement for the 240 is actually a better version of the 262, and the 240 line gets dropped. This would make a lot of sense for Leica... Q for small and fixed lens, 26x for classic rangefinder photography, and SL for all the "new" tech aspects of photography (EVF, auto-focus, video, etc.) What I would want next would be this 262 but even smaller form factor (M6 classic), 24MP sensor with great ISO up to 25K. That's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Hi John Perkins, Take a look here Leica M (Typ 262) - Reduction to Rangefinder Photography (at 1000 € less). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dunhoy Posted November 19, 2015 Share #42 Posted November 19, 2015 Great idea - never have and never will use live view - brass top plate and dimensions of film MP would have been nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted November 19, 2015 Share #43 Posted November 19, 2015 Don't be so sure. That brass plate is HEAVY. When I get home I'll weigh it. From the Leica website regarding the 262: "The top plate is engineered from durable aluminium [sic], which makes it around 100 grams lighter." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted November 19, 2015 Share #44 Posted November 19, 2015 Here it is http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2015/11/leica-m-typ-262/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 19, 2015 Share #45 Posted November 19, 2015 .............. It may well predict a nice full-featured and advanced M240 successor some time ahead. This is the key to the whole thing. Until we see what the new M will bring (not this one announced today) it's impossible to know whether the M line has an interesting future. I hope and expect it has but other plausible interpretations are possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 19, 2015 Share #46 Posted November 19, 2015 I am curious about the description of the shutter as 'quieter than the M240'. I wonder if this is in all modes and not just use of LV, and whether it refers to the motor re-cock or the shutter sound itself. No big deal, just curious. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2015 Share #47 Posted November 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sollico, on 19 Nov 2015 - 17:24, said: From the Leica website regarding the 262: "The top plate is engineered from durable aluminium [sic], which makes it around 100 grams lighter." Aluminium is the German/Dutch spelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 19, 2015 Share #48 Posted November 19, 2015 ... and English! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 19, 2015 Share #49 Posted November 19, 2015 This is the key to the whole thing. Until we see what the new M will bring (not this one announced today) it's impossible to know whether the M line has an interesting future. I hope and expect it has but other plausible interpretations are possible. I'm not surprised if there are simultaneous, but different directions... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/253272-product-position-and-future-of-the-m240-with-the-new-sl/?p=2931988 The 262 seems to address the 'traditionalist' camp....I suspect that the new M will cater to the more 'innovative' folks, as rumored patents may suggest. In the meantime, I think this is a smart more, particularly the lower price point, as was the case with the M-E. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 19, 2015 Share #50 Posted November 19, 2015 In my mind this is clear: The M line going forward will be spit in two. And, there is good reason for this. If, Leica had continued the M line by adding features found in the Q and SL, Leica would have in essence turned the "essential" M experience into a ever more complex experience that very much is not the "essential." But, on the other hand I am certain Leica was conflicted as to what new advancements in technology to add to the M without changing it so much that it was no longer appealing to why many users choose the M. Clearly the new M will have two lines. Classic(Leica mis-named the entry level) and Premium. The Classic can continue to take advantage of better sensors and electronics, hopefully smaller and lighter. Next version may utilize a smaller battery to help make it a smaller body and lighter. Why use a huge battery if there is no LV? The Premium will receive all of the additions from the SL technology, such as better video. Also, the Premium will find a better EVF from the Q or the SL. Who knows, maybe it will become an EVF-RF hybrid. Leica could feel unencumbered to add any new technology it wanted and some users would love it and others wouldn't see the point and would be happy with the Classic. I see this as win-win. Great for Leica and even better for users. Bravo Leica. I hope Leica, going forward, will make the two lines even more distinct and the M-Classic even more essential. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted November 19, 2015 Share #51 Posted November 19, 2015 It looks like that they also dropped Adobe RGB and it is sRGB only, not that impressive move. Leica Miami shows it including AdobeRGB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 19, 2015 Share #52 Posted November 19, 2015 In my mind this is clear: The M line going forward will be spit in two. And, there is good reason for this. My point in the post just above (and speculated yesterday), as we simultaneously commented. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 19, 2015 Share #53 Posted November 19, 2015 My point in the post just above (and speculated yesterday), as we simultaneously commented. Jeff Jeff, Yes, I think many here are beginning to see this as not just one more product, but more of a statement of Leica ideology. Leica really does understand Das Wesentliche. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted November 19, 2015 Share #54 Posted November 19, 2015 When I saw the "lower price" comment I was hoping it would be Leica Q sort of money but no such luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted November 19, 2015 Share #55 Posted November 19, 2015 Color space only sRGB? is it a typo or is it correct? if it is correct....hmmm....not so good robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted November 19, 2015 Share #56 Posted November 19, 2015 It would have been very embarrassing for them to include live view and EVF of the same quality as the old model. I suppose the processor and sensor is unchanged from the 240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai_Print Posted November 19, 2015 Share #57 Posted November 19, 2015 Pretty cool new camera, lighter, quieter and cheaper. I might have gone for it when looking for my used M240 but at 4K the 240 was hard to pass up. I don't use live view a lot but I do use it to check lens to RF calibration, mighty handy for that. I'm set with my 240 for now. Maybe this is a new trend for Leica though, a very good new M to be had for not an obnoxious amount of money and the -12% off going since May could be the "new normal".... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 19, 2015 Share #58 Posted November 19, 2015 Aluminium is the German/Dutch spelling. Actually, when it is written aluminium it would be Dutch, when written Aluminium it would be German. In the technical specs( downloads- Datenblatt. ) it is written: " aluminum "... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpk Posted November 19, 2015 Share #59 Posted November 19, 2015 the real reason for the reduction is to allow Leica to offer a simpler version of the M in order for them to reduce the price and increase sales prior to a new model next year. True. The new top plate (material and design) plus the reworked shutter recock mech might be in the next M. The 240 is a very good tool, I am fine with sensor upgrades from time to time (e.g. the SL-sensor with M micro lenses). A really big step would be electronic frame lines calculated according to the postion of the focusing mech, showing always exactly what the sensor would capture.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0227 Posted November 19, 2015 Share #60 Posted November 19, 2015 I like the LV/EVF options of my M240P for wider angle scenarios; and happy to have them available when needed. I have very little interest or use having video available in a still camera; if you want video, buy a video camera. Lastly, 80g lighter is less than 3oz, I can't really see how this could be any sort of factor in the decision making process. I think we all can figure out how to reduce the weight of our bags by 80g elsewhere. I'm quite happy with my M240P and would not change the purchase decision I made less than 2 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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