lct Posted August 4, 2016 Share #981 Posted August 4, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Forgot to say that linear response curves must be tweaked for good results of course. Better choose default settings if PP is not your cup of tea but then don't be surprised if your tastes don't match exactly the cartoonish ones of the editor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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edwardkaraa Posted August 4, 2016 Share #982 Posted August 4, 2016 Forgot to say that linear response curves must be tweaked for good results of course. Better choose default settings if PP is not your cup of tea but then don't be surprised if your tastes don't match exactly the cartoonish ones of the editor Indeed my PP is very basic and simple, so I need a camera with a good default output. The M color is as close to my personal taste as it can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 4, 2016 Share #983 Posted August 4, 2016 By "M color" you mean the color rendition of your OOC jpegs i guess. Lucky you then. The only OOC jpegs i did not dislike too much were those of my old 5D in good light but i needed to tweak them more or less so i didn't spend more time in converting raw files anyway. Incurable raw user here sorry... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 4, 2016 Share #984 Posted August 4, 2016 By "M color" you mean the color rendition of your OOC jpegs i guess. Lucky you then. The only OOC jpegs i did not dislike too much were those of my old 5D in good light but i needed to tweak them more or less so i didn't spend more time in converting raw files anyway. Incurable raw user here sorry... No, I mean the raw color without a custom profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 4, 2016 Share #985 Posted August 4, 2016 Ah yes sorry but then by "M color" you mean the way your raw converter interpretes it right? "M color by Adobe" so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 4, 2016 Share #986 Posted August 4, 2016 Ah yes sorry but then by "M color" you mean the way your raw converter interpretes it right? "M color by Adobe" so to speak. As I mentioned earlier, I don't like the colors of the adobe standard profile, which is why I always use the embedded profile, which is the profile provided by Leica. Of course, a certain degree of interpretation by the raw converter is involved even with the embedded profile, but I find it a very good starting point for my usual minor tweaks to white balance, contrast and exposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 4, 2016 Share #987 Posted August 4, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) OK but embedded profiles don't look the same in LR, C1 and other raw converters do they. The cartoonish effect you may find in, say, LR won't be there in C1 or another raw converter i suspect. Just a guess though as i only use C1 now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 4, 2016 Share #988 Posted August 4, 2016 OK but embedded profiles don't look the same in LR, C1 and other raw converters do they. The cartoonish effect you may find in, say, LR won't be there in C1 or another raw converter i suspect. Just a guess though as i only use C1 now.I don't use C1 but I have the impression it has its own profiles. Is it even possible to select embedded in C1? I do agree however that there will always be differences between different converters even when using the same profile.The cartoonish colors must be caused by the color profile, though the color filter array also plays a role. I'm sure a custom profile, or an improved profile by Leica, will cure the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 4, 2016 Share #989 Posted August 4, 2016 As I said before use a professional linear profile and the colors will look the same in LR or C1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted August 4, 2016 Share #990 Posted August 4, 2016 All the RAW converters have their own profiles. However a DNG file can have a camera profile in it to, and LR CC does give me the option to pick "Adobe Standard" or "Embedded". They do look different. The main difference is that the Embedded one takes that overblown yellow look out of bright greens in grass and foliage. It's much nicer IMO. It should be possible to profile cameras to all look identical. I have a custom profile for my 5DIII created with a colorchecker under my studio lighting so it is 'correct'. I could do the same with my Leica, but I use it out and about so the colours will always be affected by whats around you so to me it's largely a pointless exercise, and I quite like the "Leica colour". It's subtle, but it's definitely different to my Canons and it's a look that I like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcnarf1 Posted August 4, 2016 Share #991 Posted August 4, 2016 " It's subtle, but it's definitely different to my Canons and it's a look that I like." The proper grammar is "different from", not "different to". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted August 4, 2016 Share #992 Posted August 4, 2016 " It's subtle, but it's definitely different to my Canons and it's a look that I like." The proper grammar is "different from", not "different to". You are going to be busy - but please remember it is an(or a) international Forum.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted August 4, 2016 Share #993 Posted August 4, 2016 " It's subtle, but it's definitely different to my Canons and it's a look that I like." The proper grammar is "different from", not "different to". From OxfordDictionaries.com "Different to is much more common in British English than American English: In this respect the Royal Academy is no different to any other major museum." So apologies if you can only speak in your colony's dialect and find conversing with the outside world confusing, but in England, where English is from, "Different to" is perfectly acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 4, 2016 Share #994 Posted August 4, 2016 Long live the queen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 4, 2016 Share #995 Posted August 4, 2016 From OxfordDictionaries.com "Different to is much more common in British English than American English: In this respect the Royal Academy is no different to any other major museum." So apologies if you can only speak in your colony's dialect and find conversing with the outside world confusing, but in England, where English is from, "Different to" is perfectly acceptable. Doing something for 800 years the same way is not necessarily right. It's habit. It only took us 200 years to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2016 Share #996 Posted August 4, 2016 " It's subtle, but it's definitely different to my Canons and it's a look that I like." The proper grammar is "different from", not "different to". Actually, as this is an international forum with posters from many countries and backgrounds it is not the style of our discussions to catch other members out on grammatical or other language errors - if they are errors at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphh Posted August 4, 2016 Share #997 Posted August 4, 2016 Doing something for 800 years the same way is not necessarily right. It's habit. It only took us 200 years to fix it. Just you wait -- once you guys do something worth copying I'll sure you'll be offended when it gets mutated and they tell you that you that had it wrong to start with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share #998 Posted August 4, 2016 Just you wait -- once you guys do something worth copying I'll sure you'll be offended when it gets mutated and they tell you that you that had it wrong to start with In some strange way, we Dutch don't get arguments like these with our old colonies? Maybe, we should stay on topic and ask ourselves why some English speaking individuals write Meßsucher, instead of Messsucher... I realy like those three sss in the word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted August 5, 2016 Share #999 Posted August 5, 2016 BTW, I am only 15 posts away from reaching 1,000 posts. Therefore I should be excused for the content (lack of) in my posts till then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted August 5, 2016 Share #1000 Posted August 5, 2016 I think we did, until 18 September..... If there is no new M in September then we have many more months to speculate and also to stray off topic as we like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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