johnbuckley Posted July 19, 2016 Share #821 Posted July 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) The successor to the M-240 is one year late already, if you follow the three year gap (2006-2009-2012) in digital M announcements. The excuse last year for no new M was that photokina was coming this year, so we would have to wait. With September being a) the 4th anniversary of the M-240 announcement, photokina, I would assess the odds as overwhelming that there will be a new M announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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asiafish Posted July 19, 2016 Share #822 Posted July 19, 2016 Small changes were always Leica's way in the M. Only time they did it different was the M5 and see what happened then. What happened was the rise in popularity of the SLR and the Leitz-Minolta CL at 1/5 the price. The M5 was (and many would agree remains) the ultimate evolution of the film M. Sadly, it was released about seven years too late to be successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 19, 2016 Share #823 Posted July 19, 2016 Fair enough but if you mean that this a reason for Leica not to present a new M for the 10th anniversary of digital Ms (hence in 2016), i will have to respectfully disagree. But again, i have zero info about that. Only Leica knows what the reason is that there is no announcement. Yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2016 Share #824 Posted July 19, 2016 Only Leica knows what the reason is that there is no announcement. Yet. I don't recall any announcement in July but i may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 19, 2016 Share #825 Posted July 19, 2016 Trade up discounts tell you a new M is coming. My understanding is that they recognize full frame 24 mp is really maxed out for the camera. Beyond that the lenses need to be revamped and stabilization becomes more critical and the end result is somewhat suspect as to how many much better. Lots of things I would like to see including a narrowing of all the M variants. Too many numbers to keep track of with two tracks of body sizes. We will see soon enough Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share #826 Posted July 19, 2016 M-D monochrome? I think, first we get the Monochrom M in chrome, before the M-D Monochrom appears...Would make more sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share #827 Posted July 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) What happened was the rise in popularity of the SLR and the Leitz-Minolta CL at 1/5 the price. The M5 was (and many would agree remains) the ultimate evolution of the film M. Sadly, it was released about seven years too late to be successful. I was convinced in that time, that there was a diffent reason. At least for me...The form of it's body didn't follow the line of the M3.. The M6 much better....Maybe a lesson history learns us today with the M if they revolutionise it instead of evolutionize it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaFFM Posted July 19, 2016 Share #828 Posted July 19, 2016 I think, first we get the Monochrom M in chrome, before the M-D Monochrom appears...Would make more sense to me. The Monochom M in silver already exists. It's called " a la carte". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaFFM Posted July 19, 2016 Share #829 Posted July 19, 2016 The successor to the M-240 is one year late already, if you follow the three year gap (2006-2009-2012) in digital M announcements. The excuse last year for no new M was that photokina was coming this year, so we would have to wait. With September being a) the 4th anniversary of the M-240 announcement, photokina, I would assess the odds as overwhelming that there will be a new M announced. As far as I know Leica never made any excuses. I remember Dr. Kaufmann mentioning, that there is no such thing as a 3 year gap. That was purely coincidental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2016 Share #830 Posted July 19, 2016 Trade up discounts tell you a new M is coming [...] Yes seen this too often to believe a word in obscure statements from Leica gurus or ambassadors (nothing personal). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest satrycon Posted July 19, 2016 Share #831 Posted July 19, 2016 http://leicarumors.com/2016/07/18/leica-rumored-to-announce-a-new-line-of-m-cinema-lenses.aspx/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted July 19, 2016 Share #832 Posted July 19, 2016 I've been using a toy grade EVF for quite long enough. If there is no new M this September I will have to consider my options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 19, 2016 Share #833 Posted July 19, 2016 I agree entirely, Peter. But the question remains valid. If you open the door, where do you stop? My concern is if Leica adopts a clean sheet of paper approach to the camera, including all the things people here want, where will it stop? I admit my question is loaded, as Leica has already (partially) opened that door with the M(240), The M(262) and M-D in many ways was an attempt to put the genie back into the bottle ... Leica's 10 year announcement seems to suggest no new M camera this year. Hi Peter and John I hope you're well. Surely if Leica adopts a clean sheet of paper then it's a new camera (Why call it an M even) - there's no need to throw out the baby with the bath water! As for the concept of the hybrid viewfinder, doesn't it require information from the lens to work properly? Which would be tricky with existing M lenses, so it'd need a new lens mount and new lenses (I'd guess) in which case it wouldn't really be an M! The Leica M8 was announced in September 2006, so I'd say any time from September 2016 until September 2017 would be on the 10th year anniversary. The M240 was announced in September 2012, but it didn't ship until the spring of 2013 - so it's only a bit more than 3 years ago . . . Added to which, recent releases (like the SL MM246) tend to ship rather more quickly these days. . . . . And as someone else suggested, the 3 year gap is just a construct not a rule. Whatever - I've just bought a second M240 body as a backup All the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted July 19, 2016 Share #834 Posted July 19, 2016 Hi Peter and John I hope you're well. Surely if Leica adopts a clean sheet of paper then it's a new camera (Why call it an M even) - there's no need to throw out the baby with the bath water! As for the concept of the hybrid viewfinder, doesn't it require information from the lens to work properly? Which would be tricky with existing M lenses, so it'd need a new lens mount and new lenses (I'd guess) in which case it wouldn't really be an M! The Leica M8 was announced in September 2006, so I'd say any time from September 2016 until September 2017 would be on the 10th year anniversary. The M240 was announced in September 2012, but it didn't ship until the spring of 2013 - so it's only a bit more than 3 years ago . . . Added to which, recent releases (like the SL MM246) tend to ship rather more quickly these days. . . . . And as someone else suggested, the 3 year gap is just a construct not a rule. Whatever - I've just bought a second M240 body as a backup All the best Hi Peter and John I hope you're well. Surely if Leica adopts a clean sheet of paper then it's a new camera (Why call it an M even) - there's no need to throw out the baby with the bath water! As for the concept of the hybrid viewfinder, doesn't it require information from the lens to work properly? Which would be tricky with existing M lenses, so it'd need a new lens mount and new lenses (I'd guess) in which case it wouldn't really be an M! The Leica M8 was announced in September 2006, so I'd say any time from September 2016 until September 2017 would be on the 10th year anniversary. The M240 was announced in September 2012, but it didn't ship until the spring of 2013 - so it's only a bit more than 3 years ago . . . Added to which, recent releases (like the SL MM246) tend to ship rather more quickly these days. . . . . And as someone else suggested, the 3 year gap is just a construct not a rule. Whatever - I've just bought a second M240 body as a backup All the best Telling post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 19, 2016 Share #835 Posted July 19, 2016 Telling post HI Keith Just speculating like anyone else! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 19, 2016 Share #836 Posted July 19, 2016 What happened was the rise in popularity of the SLR and the Leitz-Minolta CL at 1/5 the price. The M5 was (and many would agree remains) the ultimate evolution of the film M. Sadly, it was released about seven years too late to be successful. I'm not too sure about that, asiafish. I was working in a camera dealership at the time the M5 was on offer and whilst the M5 might have been a technological improvement over the M4 in a great many ways (and I'd be in 100% agreement with that statement) it was just too different - and mainly in the looks department - from the M3/M2/M4 series to appeal to the Leica faithful. I never met a single convert to the model whilst it was current. It was only after it had been dropped from the range that more people realised quite how good the camera really was. There is a near-direct parallel to what happened to Porsche when they released the 928. It was intended to replace the already long-in-the-tooth 911 series and was, in a great many ways, a far superior car. No question about it. But here we are in 2016 and the 928 is long gone whilst the 911 lives on. Much like the current M cameras... I'm prepared to bet that Leica will never resurrect the M5 bodyshell profile for any upcoming project. Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey You Posted July 19, 2016 Share #837 Posted July 19, 2016 The inability of the M rangefinder to accommodate zoom lenses is considered a major disadvantage by many photographers. What if Leica were to introduce an EVF version of the M, and accompany it with a range of zoom lenses? Would that be a game changer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted July 19, 2016 Share #838 Posted July 19, 2016 the one thing I would want is a little lighter and slimmer. The rest is fine for me with the M type 240 allready. So take you time Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted July 19, 2016 Share #839 Posted July 19, 2016 Whatever - I've just bought a second M240 body as a backup Jono - thanks for the reflection. As someone who continues to work very happily with two M240s (I couldn't deliver for clients without the two - often paired with 28 summicron asph and 50 summilux asph), I keep on mulling over whether I need to even bother about upgrading in order to have EVF support for longer lenses + R zoom, and should simply get over it and get an SL. Job done. But then I think about travel and remember that what I really really want is just two bodies and the possibility of real world EVF functionality alongside RF (an add on EVF is no problem for me - but the current M240 + EVF is not a working solution for my needs), so then I'm back to square one. QUESTION - if you knew you were never being able to upgrade the M240s, what solution would you choose to add flexibility to the kit. Keep a DSLR for the odd occassion when you need long or zoom? Opt for micro 2/3 for tele lenses? Go in the Sony direction? Stick with the SL (maybe with adaptors for Canon lenses - I do find the cost and weight of the SL lenses really intimidating...). Interested to hear your thoughts. As ever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted July 19, 2016 Share #840 Posted July 19, 2016 ...But then I think about travel and remember that what I really really want is just two bodies and the possibility of real world EVF functionality alongside RF (an add on EVF is no problem for me - but the current M240 + EVF is not a working solution for my needs), so then I'm back to square one... Ditto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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