jaapv Posted February 9, 2016 Share #401 Posted February 9, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe - but unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share #402 Posted February 9, 2016 Near? After today I am not so convinced, that it is near.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 10, 2016 Share #403 Posted February 10, 2016 After today I am not so convinced, that it is near.. Why? What has happened today? What news have I missed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share #404 Posted February 10, 2016 Why? What has happened today? What news have I missed? I talked to some people. The talk was also about how some in the management behaved the last time. Not with a "heart" for Leica as a beautiful camera, but more a "hard" for profit. Profit can be good or course, but it made me a little pessimistic about the outcome of the new M. No real facts. Nobody says anything about a new M. ..But , normally around this time, they were saying something between the lines, but now. Nothing. On the other hand, in the time that they annonced the MP as a succesor/teamplayer after the M7, or should we say, M6, i cannot recall that anybody saw that coming. Same with the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted February 10, 2016 Share #405 Posted February 10, 2016 I heard differently ................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 10, 2016 Share #406 Posted February 10, 2016 Don't worry, it is going to be a very nice one. They just need some more time for testing for the more complicated aspects. Leica is very well aware that especially with the M series profit is generated by appeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nryn Posted February 10, 2016 Share #407 Posted February 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) There are small improvements to the electronics (faster EVF, etc.) that might be nice on a new M. More than anything, I'd like to see it lose some weight and perhaps a little bit of bulk (though the size of the M Typ 240 in hand doesn't bother me, I picked up a friend's M8 (which I also had a long time ago) recently and it was great. I recently went on a long trip and brought my M and my Q. My Q ended up coming with me almost everywhere; the M stayed in the hotel safe in the evenings. Some of this was the better high ISO performance of the Q, but I don't mind a little bit of noise and would have happily taken the M. Honestly, the biggest deciding factor was the weight. I'm not looking for the M to go plastic, of course--I think some heft helps me steady my shots. But the Q seems to be just about perfect from a weight standpoint, at least for me. I very much like shooting with my M and my (new!) Monochrom Typ 246. I'll wait and see what happens with the SL but I'm probably set for a long time. That said, I'd consider a lighter, smaller M in a heartbeat, even with the same electronics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 10, 2016 Share #408 Posted February 10, 2016 I'm going to speculate that it won't have autofocus in which case thighslapper and I will have a discussion about a ten pound note. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 10, 2016 Share #409 Posted February 10, 2016 I'm going to speculate that it won't have autofocus in which case thighslapper and I will have a discussion about a ten pound note. Having bought a 2016 Jeep Wrangler (for delivery tomorrow) with Dana 44 locking rear axles front and rear, a heavy-duty manual transfer case, and six-speed manual transmission with standard AM/FM/CD radio and manual heater controls to replace my aging Toyota FJ Cruiser with HD locking rear axle, six-speed manual transmission, manual transfer case, AM/FM/CD, and manual heater controls, I'd be disappointed in anything BUT a manual-focus rangefinder/viewfinder M. Can I get in on that bet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 10, 2016 Share #410 Posted February 10, 2016 I talked to some people. The talk was also about how some in the management behaved the last time. Not with a "heart" for Leica as a beautiful camera, but more a "hard" for profit. Profit can be good or course, but it made me a little pessimistic about the outcome of the new M. No real facts. Nobody says anything about a new M. ..But , normally around this time, they were saying something between the lines, but now. Nothing. On the other hand, in the time that they annonced the MP as a succesor/teamplayer after the M7, or should we say, M6, i cannot recall that anybody saw that coming. Same with the M8. What's wrong with making a profit by making and selling cameras? If they make a profit, it means they are making something that people want at a price they're willing to pay. Making a profit does not have to mean competing with everyone else in the mass market by lowest cost manufacturing - it can mean producing a quality product with strong design and features that other cameras don't have. Leica are not the first to thing along these lines and make it work. The one thing that is absolutely certain is that if you do not set out to make a profit, you will be out of business pretty quickly. I'm glad Leica tries to make a profit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted February 10, 2016 Share #411 Posted February 10, 2016 What's wrong with making a profit by making and selling cameras? If they make a profit, it means they are making something that people want at a price they're willing to pay. Making a profit does not have to mean competing with everyone else in the mass market by lowest cost manufacturing - it can mean producing a quality product with strong design and features that other cameras don't have. Leica are not the first to thing along these lines and make it work. The one thing that is absolutely certain is that if you do not set out to make a profit, you will be out of business pretty quickly. I'm glad Leica tries to make a profit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbsJ7j9GxgE Unfortunately only in german since Enterprise media now seems to own the rights to the english one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share #412 Posted February 10, 2016 What's wrong with making a profit by making and selling cameras? If they make a profit, it means they are making something that people want at a price they're willing to pay. Making a profit does not have to mean competing with everyone else in the mass market by lowest cost manufacturing - it can mean producing a quality product with strong design and features that other cameras don't have. Leica are not the first to thing along these lines and make it work. The one thing that is absolutely certain is that if you do not set out to make a profit, you will be out of business pretty quickly. I'm glad Leica tries to make a profit! I learnt in bookkeeping classes, that there are different ways of making a profit. You can make a profit for instance by selling your stores and then renting them for a lower price. Fire your experienced workers and take cheap young labourers. Fire your good managers, because they are thinking, this is not the way to handel and hiring cheaper " yes " sayers. Just exemples, but there are different ways of making a profit. Some profits are short term profits which destroy your firm. Others are long term descisions making a solid business. Making a profit is not always about selling an item. It's the way you structure your firm, or the way you please your investers/stockholders. I can sel 1000 items without making a profit, but I also can sel 10 items for the same price and make a huge profit. It's all about management and bookkeeping I believe, but of course something has to be sold in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted February 10, 2016 Share #413 Posted February 10, 2016 Otherwise there is always the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition Number 6 and 10 are classic: "never allow family stand in the way of opportunity" "Greed is eternal" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted February 10, 2016 Share #414 Posted February 10, 2016 Number 47 is my absolute favorite: "Never trust a man wearing a better suit than you" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 10, 2016 Share #415 Posted February 10, 2016 Until now no news of a new Leica M. But because christmas is coming. I have some requests for Leica AG Please make the new Leica the same as the M-P 240 with some enhancements. Better sensor Higher ISO 3 pictures per second and holding until SD card is full. That's all, thank you! My requests would be - 1: Lose the video button - and video capability too while we're at it 2: Back illuminated CMOS sensor 3: Higher maximum ISO, perhaps around 50,000. 4: Same dimensions as the M240/M-P (not an overgrown "M-P 5" sized camera) 5: Lose the live view button. Activating live view inadvertently when shooting in portrait orientation is a pain in the ass. Make live view selection a menu option. 6: For the love of all that is holy, no touch screen!! Why #1 and #6, you ask? Simple: The M cameras are still cameras - there's no need for video. And the M cameras are cameras, not video games. There's no need for a touch screen that will inadvertently change settings in the middle of a shoot the way the damn live view button does. These changes would make an outstanding camera even better. Dropping video and forsaking a touch screen on the M240/M-P successor would make it more of a camera oriented to professional photographers IMHO; this would be a good step forward as Leica already has many offerings for the hobbyist and/or casual photographer folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 10, 2016 Share #416 Posted February 10, 2016 My requests would be - 1: Lose the video button - and video capability too while we're at it 2: Back illuminated CMOS sensor 3: Higher maximum ISO, perhaps around 50,000. 4: Same dimensions as the M240/M-P (not an overgrown "M-P 5" sized camera) 5: Lose the live view button. Activating live view inadvertently when shooting in portrait orientation is a pain in the ass. Make live view selection a menu option. 6: For the love of all that is holy, no touch screen!! Why #1 and #6, you ask? Simple: The M cameras are still cameras - there's no need for video. The M cameras are cameras, not video games. There's no need for a touch screen that will inadvertently change settings in the middle of a shot the way the damn live view button does. Red highlight mine. I agree it is a pain. This is why LV and movie buttons are inactivated for me all the time in M240. If need them then they are accessible by menu (stored in user profile). I don't understand the repeated calls (by some) to remove these features. They can be configured to disappear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 15, 2016 Share #417 Posted February 15, 2016 In over three years of daily use I haven't once activated Live view accidentally . I honestly wonder how you manage to do so. And if you do, just deactivate it in menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 15, 2016 Share #418 Posted February 15, 2016 Yes firmware 2.0.1.5 introduced the option to deactivate live view in July 2014. In camera menu, just choose Light Metering Mode, Classic/LV disabled and you are done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 15, 2016 Share #419 Posted February 15, 2016 ....Classic/LV disabled and you are done. Not quite.....he then needs to go into the Set menu and disable video recording.....his other complaint. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted February 15, 2016 Share #420 Posted February 15, 2016 I imagine there'll be a "flagship" product unveiled for Photokina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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